# Huge amount of trash data? **URL:** \ **Category:** troubleshooting\ **Tags:** trash\ **Created:** [May 12, 2024, 9:28am UTC](https://forum.storj.io/t/huge-amount-of-trash-data/26168 "2024-05-12T09:28:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Mitsos](https://storj.bcdn.literatehosting.com/user_avatar/forum.storj.io/mitsos/32/1125_2.png) [@Mitsos](https://forum.storj.io/u/Mitsos)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2024, 10:52pm UTC](https://forum.storj.io/t/huge-amount-of-trash-data/26168/42 "2024-05-18T22:52:25Z")
I have a feeling (based on my own observations) that those numbers are nowhere near correct. I’m not talking about a 20% difference, I’m talking about a 70-80% difference from actual paid data. If nodes around 10TB were already maxing out the old bloomfilters, then at 120TB the bloomfilters only trashed a mere single digit % of what they should be trashing over the past couple of years. Only thing I can say is buckle up, the ride down is just getting started. We’ll be here holding hands and getting through the Great Purge of 2024. ---
**Author:** ![pangolin](https://storj.bcdn.literatehosting.com/user_avatar/forum.storj.io/pangolin/32/15685_2.png) [@pangolin](https://forum.storj.io/u/pangolin)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2024, 10:56pm UTC](https://forum.storj.io/t/huge-amount-of-trash-data/26168/43 "2024-05-18T22:56:59Z")
Such big nodes don’t exist. This seems to be multinode dashboard. ---
**Author:** ![donald.m.motsinger](https://storj.bcdn.literatehosting.com/user_avatar/forum.storj.io/donald.m.motsinger/32/71_2.png) [@donald.m.motsinger](https://forum.storj.io/u/donald.m.motsinger)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2024, 11:11pm UTC](https://forum.storj.io/t/huge-amount-of-trash-data/26168/44 "2024-05-18T23:11:40Z")
What gives it away is free AND overused space. That wouldn’t happen on a single node. ---
**Author:** ![Mitsos](https://storj.bcdn.literatehosting.com/user_avatar/forum.storj.io/mitsos/32/1125_2.png) [@Mitsos](https://forum.storj.io/u/Mitsos)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2024, 11:20pm UTC](https://forum.storj.io/t/huge-amount-of-trash-data/26168/45 "2024-05-18T23:20:37Z")
What didn’t give it away for me was the margin at the left of the border. On smaller screens it doesn’t have any margin between that border and avg space (multinode): ![Screenshot_20240519_022013](https://storj-s3.bcdn.literatehosting.net/original/3X/e/c/ece12ac46b5df20a6247cb8ccb24ff13dec01ab6.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![trek-e](https://storj.bcdn.literatehosting.com/user_avatar/forum.storj.io/trek-e/32/1133_2.png) [@trek-e](https://forum.storj.io/u/trek-e)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2024, 11:33pm UTC](https://forum.storj.io/t/huge-amount-of-trash-data/26168/46 "2024-05-18T23:33:48Z")
![image](https://storj-s3.bcdn.literatehosting.net/original/3X/1/0/101d857d38174f1636dbdb2c9ffa45d07cbf9182.png) I know my node is over a year old, but yeah seeing the same thing. that’s a lotta data going away. I only do this for fun so I’m not upset about it, was just surprised that such a big chunk went away. ---
**Author:** ![orangepeelbeef](https://storj.bcdn.literatehosting.com/user_avatar/forum.storj.io/orangepeelbeef/32/6635_2.png) [@orangepeelbeef](https://forum.storj.io/u/orangepeelbeef)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2024, 12:31am UTC](https://forum.storj.io/t/huge-amount-of-trash-data/26168/47 "2024-05-19T00:31:45Z")
![image](https://storj-s3.bcdn.literatehosting.net/original/3X/9/2/92408451735ea69ace077b9e57f2c36f33fe27f1.png) fun stuff ---
**Author:** ![Grimm](https://storj.bcdn.literatehosting.com/user_avatar/forum.storj.io/grimm/32/7823_2.png) [@Grimm](https://forum.storj.io/u/Grimm)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2024, 1:04am UTC](https://forum.storj.io/t/huge-amount-of-trash-data/26168/48 "2024-05-19T01:04:21Z")
If this is right, storj lost over 2/3 of it’s stored customer data in just 2 months. So probably that was the amount of “free” accounts that people where using , not sustainable tbh, no wonder they terminated it. IMO, storj should get a few servers over at Hetzner, dirt cheap, make “more” satellites, lower their operational costs and invest in marketing. ![image](https://storj-s3.bcdn.literatehosting.net/original/3X/6/b/6ba199394a4559f0a3b5a426b68317b090fa2f1a.png) ![image](https://storj-s3.bcdn.literatehosting.net/original/3X/5/2/5247b611b6873eff65476be74b4492d69c800003.png) ---
**Author:** ![Ambifacient](https://storj.bcdn.literatehosting.com/user_avatar/forum.storj.io/ambifacient/32/7815_2.png) [@Ambifacient](https://forum.storj.io/u/Ambifacient)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2024, 1:33am UTC](https://forum.storj.io/t/huge-amount-of-trash-data/26168/49 "2024-05-19T01:33:40Z")
There is some discussion of this in the past, it’s just flaky metrics I believe from the satellites, not the Grafana website. If you scroll down on that site you’ll see US1 missing data. But yes we definitely experienced a significant loss of data from discontinuing the free tier. ---
**Author:** ![snorkel](https://storj.bcdn.literatehosting.com/letter_avatar/snorkel/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@snorkel](https://forum.storj.io/u/snorkel)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2024, 3:01am UTC](https://forum.storj.io/t/huge-amount-of-trash-data/26168/50 "2024-05-19T03:01:25Z")
Is the entire free accounts data deleted? ---
**Author:** ![Roxor](https://storj.bcdn.literatehosting.com/letter_avatar/roxor/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@Roxor](https://forum.storj.io/u/Roxor)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2024, 3:04am UTC](https://forum.storj.io/t/huge-amount-of-trash-data/26168/51 "2024-05-19T03:04:43Z")
They said it would [take several months](https://forum.storj.io/t/discontinuation-of-the-storj-free-tier/25332)… so probably not. ---
**Author:** ![jammerdan](https://storj.bcdn.literatehosting.com/user_avatar/forum.storj.io/jammerdan/32/1121_2.png) [@jammerdan](https://forum.storj.io/u/jammerdan)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2024, 4:31am UTC](https://forum.storj.io/t/huge-amount-of-trash-data/26168/52 "2024-05-19T04:31:17Z")
I think they said they gonna delete it as paid data comes in so there is at least not a big loss. Now with the maybe big customers that are in the pipeline this could change as they need the space. But they could generate some artificial egress for that. ---
**Author:** ![digitalfrank](https://storj.bcdn.literatehosting.com/letter_avatar/digitalfrank/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@digitalfrank](https://forum.storj.io/u/digitalfrank)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2024, 5:00am UTC](https://forum.storj.io/t/huge-amount-of-trash-data/26168/53 "2024-05-19T05:00:45Z")
> [@pangolin](#): > > Such big nodes don’t exist. This seems to be multinode dashboard. Yes it’s the multinode dashboard . I have 30 nodes on my used disks that i recycle from my big nas. When i change a disk on my nas, i create a new node. 😉 Of course, i have 5 different geo position in Italy where i have the nodes. ---
**Author:** ![snorkel](https://storj.bcdn.literatehosting.com/letter_avatar/snorkel/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@snorkel](https://forum.storj.io/u/snorkel)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2024, 9:22am UTC](https://forum.storj.io/t/huge-amount-of-trash-data/26168/54 "2024-05-19T09:22:04Z")
The free accounts data should be removed already… It’s been more than a month, I believe. I think even GDPR forces you to delete customers data in a month. Let’s get rid of it, to stop wondering what’s this trash, were is coming from and so on. I want to know were is the botton for my nodes… this year only deletes deletes deletes… Just delete all that must be deleted and move on. If Saltlake wants to reserve some space, so be it, but get rid of those free accounts, and let us store only payed data. ---
**Author:** ![snorkel](https://storj.bcdn.literatehosting.com/letter_avatar/snorkel/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@snorkel](https://forum.storj.io/u/snorkel)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2024, 9:26am UTC](https://forum.storj.io/t/huge-amount-of-trash-data/26168/55 "2024-05-19T09:26:43Z")
And I don’t know about Storj’s deals, but reserving payed space for possible customers without any agreement, it’s a no no. If some big customer wants to contract Storj services, get him sign the contract and specify in Terms and Conditions of that contract: “in a month or two period we will reserve the necessary space in the network for you, and you can bring your data only after this period, because we have to pay for that space, and without any signed agreement, we can’t be sure you will take that space we are paying for”. Reveserving space without any certenties is a loss for Storj and a burden for SNOs that have to deal with huge trash, that has been an annoyance all these months. ---
**Author:** ![ACarneiro](https://storj.bcdn.literatehosting.com/user_avatar/forum.storj.io/acarneiro/32/1129_2.png) [@ACarneiro](https://forum.storj.io/u/ACarneiro)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2024, 9:40am UTC](https://forum.storj.io/t/huge-amount-of-trash-data/26168/56 "2024-05-19T09:40:48Z")
I take your point but, will all due respect, that’s not a call for us SNOs. Storj execs are well aware of the risks and costs of their strategies and ultimately it’s for them to decide, not us. ---
**Author:** ![jammerdan](https://storj.bcdn.literatehosting.com/user_avatar/forum.storj.io/jammerdan/32/1121_2.png) [@jammerdan](https://forum.storj.io/u/jammerdan)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2024, 9:55am UTC](https://forum.storj.io/t/huge-amount-of-trash-data/26168/57 "2024-05-19T09:55:15Z")
> [@snorkel](#): > > If some big customer wants to contract Storj services, get him sign the contract and specify in Terms and Conditions of that contract: “in a month or two period we will reserve the necessary space in the network for you, and you can bring your data only after this period, I guess something like this exists: [https://www.storj.io/pricing](https://www.storj.io/pricing) ![Screenshot_2024-05-19_115119](https://storj-s3.bcdn.literatehosting.net/original/3X/b/f/bfb09844733d8916fcb289d7449c4bdf339c24c0.jpeg) Though it might be different for the big customers that are currently in question. But it was said that their use case is also different and maybe they are so big that they warrant an exception. ---
**Author:** ![littleskunk](https://storj.bcdn.literatehosting.com/user_avatar/forum.storj.io/littleskunk/32/63_2.png) [@littleskunk](https://forum.storj.io/u/littleskunk)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2024, 10:07am UTC](https://forum.storj.io/t/huge-amount-of-trash-data/26168/58 "2024-05-19T10:07:42Z")
> [@snorkel](#): > > And I don’t know about Storj’s deals, but reserving payed space for possible customers without any agreement, it’s a no no. lol. Customer is coming to you and you are saying it is a no no. Please go away I don’t want your money 😃 ---
**Author:** ![snorkel](https://storj.bcdn.literatehosting.com/letter_avatar/snorkel/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@snorkel](https://forum.storj.io/u/snorkel)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2024, 10:15am UTC](https://forum.storj.io/t/huge-amount-of-trash-data/26168/59 "2024-05-19T10:15:00Z")
Until the papers are signed, nothing is certain. Anyone, big or small, can promise anything, until the CEO or bord of directors change their minds and say pass. But it’s not my business. As SNO I like my space occupied and payed. I don’t care with what and by who. 😊 ---
**Author:** ![ACarneiro](https://storj.bcdn.literatehosting.com/user_avatar/forum.storj.io/acarneiro/32/1129_2.png) [@ACarneiro](https://forum.storj.io/u/ACarneiro)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2024, 10:15am UTC](https://forum.storj.io/t/huge-amount-of-trash-data/26168/60 "2024-05-19T10:15:39Z")
No, I think what @snorkel meant was reserving space (which incurs a cost) before any money is forthcoming. It does indeed carry risk but, as I alluded to above, that’s what execs are paid to do: manage risk. ---
**Author:** ![Roxor](https://storj.bcdn.literatehosting.com/letter_avatar/roxor/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@Roxor](https://forum.storj.io/u/Roxor)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2024, 10:17am UTC](https://forum.storj.io/t/huge-amount-of-trash-data/26168/61 "2024-05-19T10:17:24Z")
Storj has been paying SNOs more than they’ve been charging customers for years: wasn’t it just our last payout change that made them profitable-on-paper? If they have the coins to keep a couple months of capacity ready-to-go that’s their business decision. Just keep pay SNOs at the start of every month… and they’ll store whatever you want… for as long as you want. I don’t need to know the details… 🤑 [Previous page](https://forum.storj.io/t/huge-amount-of-trash-data/26168.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forum.storj.io/t/huge-amount-of-trash-data/26168.md?page=4)