Open discussion / ideas for updated tokenomics

@jammerdan I think we actually agree on more than it looks at first glance – especially on two points:

  1. Yes, the legacy STORJ reserves are very likely effectively gone by now.
  2. Yes, the Diol “26,000 participants / nearly $30M ARR” line is classic marketing spin.

Where I draw a different conclusion is what that implies about the acquisition and Inveniam as a business.


1. On reserves: yes, we should assume they’re used up

The Q4 2024 token report shows:

  • 34M STORJ operational reserves at the start of Q4 2024
  • 7.7M spent in that single quarter
  • 26.3M left at year-end
  • with the biggest chunk going into “other = operations + liquidity”, not SNO payouts. (storjtoken.com)

Given that:

  • this was already late 2024,
  • the quarterly burn rate was high, and
  • there have been no new token-flow reports since,

I do assume, like you, that by late 2025 the old reserves are basically consumed or at least no longer a meaningful long-term buffer. That’s also exactly why Storj moved to market buybacks (5% of SNO payouts) in mid‑2025: you don’t introduce buybacks if you plan to live off reserves forever. (storjtoken.com)

So on this point I’m with you: the reserve era is over. Future token flows have to come from real business (revenues, capital, partners), not from a stash.


2. On “26,000 participants / nearly $30M ARR” – yes, it’s marketing

On the Diol announcement, I share your discomfort.

The exact wording in the Diol launch PR is roughly:

  • more than 26,000 “market participants” in 100+ countries
  • “generating nearly $30M in annual recurring revenue”
  • participants include data owners, compute providers and storage operators. (inveniam.io)

Read quickly, that sounds like: Diol launched with 26k enthusiastic customers and almost $30M ARR on day one.

In reality:

  • The 26k “participants” are clearly an aggregate of existing ecosystems: data owners, GPU providers, and storage operators (i.e. us SNOs + test accounts, etc.), many of whom have never heard of “Diol” as a product.
  • The “nearly $30M ARR” is not broken down. It’s almost certainly an “ecosystem ARR” number (Inveniam + partners + acquired business), not audited Diol‑only SaaS revenue.

So yes:
It’s classic “fast-and-loose” marketing. It blurs the line between:

  • infrastructure participants (SNOs, trial accounts, compute nodes), and
  • paying software customers.

I don’t like that either. It’s exactly the sort of wording that made Storj comms hard to trust at times in the past.


3. Why I still don’t treat Inveniam as vaporware

Where I push back is on the jump from “the Diol PR is cringe” → “this might all be smoke and mirrors”.

Even if I completely ignore the “nearly $30M ARR” line as a reliable metric, there’s still a lot of hard evidence that Inveniam is not some random no‑name shell:

  • Independent SaaS / BI trackers (which have no incentive to parrot Inveniam’s PR) estimate:

    • about $13.6M annual revenue
    • 60–66 employees
    • and about $162M total funding. (Latka)
  • Funding and strategic investors:

    • $25M Series A led by Apex Group (global fund administrator). (Apex Group)
    • Later round and pre‑Series B financing led by Cushman & Wakefield (NYSE: CWK). (Cushman & Wakefield)
    • Strategic investment from G42, the Abu Dhabi AI group that itself has Microsoft and Mubadala money behind it; several sources now quote around $120M raised in total for Inveniam. (Ledger Insights)
  • Real, name‑brand enterprise partners / customers (the sort you would brag about):

    • Cushman & Wakefield using Inveniam’s data OS for real estate valuations and tokenization work. (Cushman & Wakefield)
    • Apex Group integrating Inveniam’s platform into fund admin and private-asset valuation workflows. (inveniam.io)
    • Tokeny partnership + co‑investment to build tokenization infrastructure. (tokeny.com)
  • “Global leader” claim vs reality:
    Their own material lists offices in New York, London, Abu Dhabi and Michigan, and positions them as a data OS for private assets, not a retail brand. (inveniam.io)
    For a niche B2B infra company in private markets, it’s normal that you don’t see them in mainstream press – you see them in trade press, PE/infra news and partner PRs.

Individually, each of these could be spun. But taken together, the picture is clear:

This is a medium‑sized, well‑funded B2B infra company with real institutional clients, not a shiny landing page plus hot air.

My whole argument does not depend on Diol truly being at $30M ARR.
Even if the real recurring revenue were “only” $13–15M today, the conclusion stays the same: Inveniam is large enough and capitalized enough to be a serious parent for Storj.


4. On “am I now a Diol market participant?”

Honestly? The way they framed it, yeah – that’s almost certainly what they’re doing:

  • buy Storj,
  • add Storj SNOs, test accounts, GPU partners etc. into the “participant” total,
  • then proudly talk about “26,000+ market participants in 100+ countries”.

From a pure marketing perspective it’s easy to see how they got there.
From a transparency perspective, it sucks. I’d much rather see:

  • “X paying institutional customers”
  • “Y integrated data sources”
  • “Z infra providers (including Storj SNOs)”

…instead of one big rolled‑up vanity number.

So on that criticism: I think you, @Roxor and @alpharabbit are right to call it out. The wording invites misinterpretation and undermines trust.


5. What all of this implies for us as SNOs

Putting everything together:

  • Reserves – we agree: realistically spent. Future token obligations (SNO payouts, optional employee comp, liquidity) will need to be funded from business, not stash. (storjtoken.com)
    Token volatility as payment – I see this differently
    In general, yes — a volatile token is not the ideal long-term payment mechanism for a decentralized infrastructure service. Many SNOs would understandably prefer a stable or fiat-denominated payout structure.

But speaking strictly from my own perspective, it’s not as negative as it sounds.

I’m currently hodling my payouts, and in that situation:

  • volatility isn’t inherently a disadvantage,

  • recurring buybacks are directly beneficial,

  • and with the legacy reserves realistically gone, those buybacks are no longer optional — they’re structurally necessary for the token cycle to function at all.

So while I fully understand the general argument against volatile-token payouts, in my own case the current setup is perfectly acceptable. As long as Storj transitions toward utilisation-driven recycling backed by real revenue, holding STORJ and benefiting from consistent buybacks is economically rational for me.

  • Inveniam marketing – yes, some of the Diol wording is dodgy and too close to how Storj used to massage numbers. That’s a red flag in communication style, not hard proof that the underlying business is fake.
  • Inveniam’s substance – separate from the PR fluff, there is strong evidence of a real, revenue‑generating, institutionally backed company with long‑term contracts in exactly the sort of markets that can actually afford to pay for decentralized infra.

So my bottom line is:

I absolutely share your skepticism about the Diol PR and the way they play with numbers.
But I don’t see any data that supports “this is all just marketing and Storj was effectively bought by nothing”.

The much more boring – and for us, more relevant – story is:

  • Storj ran down its legacy reserves,
  • started buybacks as a bridge,
  • and is now sitting under a parent that actually has revenue and capital to support a utilisation‑based token cycle.

We should keep calling out BS marketing where we see it.
But we should also separate cringe comms from the more important question:

“Does this increase the chance that SNO payouts can be funded from real revenue in a few years instead of whatever’s left in a wallet?”

From everything we can verify today, my answer to that is still yes – cautiously, especially given that the market segment involves multi-billion-dollar players with thousands of employees, such as Cushman & Wakefield and their strategic alliance with Inveniam.

What bothers me far more than any token or marketing issue is the complete radio silence. We’re in an extremely turbulent phase, and there hasn’t been a single update in three weeks. At this point I’d really appreciate at least weekly communication — even if it’s just “we’re still finalizing contracts”, and ideally with some early numbers, progress indicators, or a clear implementation status.

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Well I am sceptical but I hope for the best.

Exactly, now continuing with a company I had never heard of before.

Not all. But just the fact that there is smoke and mirrors makes it worth to look closer at the new owner. Even more as we have not yet received any word from them. They seem to be busy to travel between New York, London and Abu Dhabi.

We’ll see if it is the right parent.

Correct.

But you could still receive stablecoin or fiat payouts and buy something else to speculate on.
The STORJ token was never intended to be a investment. From the token sale:

d) You understand that the Tokens confer only the right to provide and receive Services in the Network and confer no other rights of any form with respect to the Network or Company or its corporate affiliates, including, but not limited to, any voting, distribution, redemption, liquidation, proprietary (including all forms of intellectual property), or other financial or legal rights;

(e) You are purchasing Tokens to provide or receive Services in the Network and to support the development, testing, deployment and operation of the Network. You are not purchasing Tokens for any other uses or purposes, including, but not limited to, any investment, speculative or other financial purposes;

With this in mind volatility is bad to transfer value and a stablecoin or fiat would be a much more appropriate fit for the intended goal. Just recently there has been a huge drop of token prices and honestly, as we agree that Storj as to buy tokens, it does not make sense to buy tokens at .22 send them to the SNO when they are worth .14 and SNO sells them at .17. And this could repeat like any time.

Have you read about Wirecard as suggested? They were hyped so much backed by many and at the end billions were lost. Wirecard - Wikipedia

Thank you for your analysis, they are mindful. I shared them with the team.

I, personally, do agree with @Roxor though (please, do not treat it as an official Storj position, it’s my personal position, I do not have any insights).
And, traditionally, I’m disagree with @jammerdan, none of stable coins or fiat are feasible at the moment. Sorry, @jammerdan, all your suggestions are TOO expensive at the moment, I mean they are negative profitable at this moment.
I do not think, that they are not possible, just not right now. This is why they are useful - you gives us some insights to grow, so - thank you!
Also, many of your suggestions were implemented, just not at the time when you have suggested it.

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I see it exactly like @Roxor and @GfTmbH. As long as they do not reduce payments for egress and storage, I can’t see any problems with this. Marketing is always blabla. Hopefully they will be able to raise the prices at some point in the future because of inflation. That’s the only thing I’m worried about.

← But with a bonus (+10% or so) if you make payouts with STORJ instead of fiat. That would make sense for me.

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FIAT is not an option so far and unlikely could.

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Based on what I can see from on chain data Storj still has 6.529M tokens available in the ops wallet (This is what I call it at least. This wallet funds the payout/distro wallets) 0x40A8…01a2 and an additional 2M in the multi sig address. 0x0f56…bf2f. Based on this they have aprx 6 months remaining if current outflows remain stable. This also dose not take into account any payments made to them in tokens. Deposits I have made in the past remain in my deposit address and have not been swept up. This is likely the case for most if not all token payments making it hard to say how many additional tokens they may have available should they tap that source.

Storj has continued to signal intent to release the reports (The lack of them and no communication is concerning) but as the messaging remains the same I would like to believe the delay is related to the start of the buyback program. To date just under 100K has been accumulated in the buyback wallet, in theory there is another month worth floating around not in this wallet as well. 0x06177…2d43

Generally speaking how ever I agree that they are near the end of reserves and buybacks to cover payments soon are a must.

I am also in agreement that while volatility is not really desired it also is not an inherent disadvantage and is a symptom of the current scale and stage of the project. A shift to buybacks brings predictable demand to the market, and that will lead to a healthier and more stable price. Currently there is no real known demand driver for the token as payouts come from reserves so the price is what speculators are willing to pay more or less.

No matter what stable coin you use, you are then tied to an external system of governance, USDC and USDT for example still enforce US sanctions and follow US laws (more or less). Regardless of if those laws are right or wrong using a stable coin means accepting that someone else has control of the payment pipeline and could in theory use that control to shut down part or all of the network. Payments via USDC and USDT would also likely mean KYC requirements for node ops. The use of storj token pushes the KYC risk (and the large cost associated) to the exchange while a stablecoin in many cases would not as far as I am aware. For global node payouts the current system dose make more sense imo.

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Hi, The storj buybacks are every month ?

Accordingly https://www.storjtoken.com/ yes, and you can easily track this. But why you are asking?

For surety and curiosity :grinning_face:

We have not seen any additional transactions sending tokens to the buyback wallet since the June-Sept buybacks. It was mentioned in the tokenomics thread that “For now this will be the location of the staking reserve where the value of the reserve can be monitored and the monthly deposits can be tracked.

Are you able to confirm it this means we can expect to see the tokens move on chain each month or is the intent to batch the transactions and deposit to the address on a quarterly (or similar) basis? It is possible that some may have expected to see monthly transactions appearing on chain so if that is not the plan it may be worth clarifying.

Asked the team to clarify.

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I dunno, but I think a $5-6,000 transaction might not be priority to do on a monthly basis.

So there’s that, as it wouldn’t even move the needle compared to market cap.

2 cents,
Julio

Any response from the team regarding the buybacks ?

I saw from 3 to 4 Dec storj token went up with 925 holders. :face_with_monocle:
Maybe there will be some action, who will say ?

This is becoming quite off topic from the original announcement post.
Alexey has asked the team to clarify 3 days ago over the holiday weekend.
It is probably best to wait for an official answer and not pull this thread further off topic.

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okay Bre, but any reason why the holders are rising with 1164 holders today ?
airdrop ? it’s not something normal

Maybe very low transaction fee

Storj can pay an SNO with 0.21970384 STORJ ($0.03) — but this amount means the SNO can only run a Storj node for a few days, and payouts for years might not be processed because of the transaction fee.

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@RobF I cannot speculate or guess regarding token issues.
Please wait for the official answer from the team.

There is no airdrop.

The purpose of this thread is the announcement.
Not financial speculation or blockchain movements.

If people insist on being off topic, the thread will need to be closed.

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The intention is to move the tokens each month. But sometimes our team gets just a bit behind. The transactions for Oct and Nov have just been made and should be reflected in the wallet linked above.

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Really, quarterly would be just as useful and arguably more efficient, for the relative impact is negligible - it’s 5%. It would be easily communicated, and understood; besides which, I’d never have prescribed it a specific number (%), but a range of => 5% - for obvious reasons. You don’t want people quantizing your costs per market competition concerns.

2 cents,
Julio

1. Current Token Utility Problem (Economic Inefficiency)

From an economic perspective, the current STORJ token flow appears inefficient and somewhat circular.

Storj Labs receives fiat payments upfront from customers for storage services.

Later, the company buys STORJ tokens from the open market and distributes them to Storage Node Operators (SNOs) as rewards.

Those SNOs then sell the tokens back to the market to cover their operational costs (electricity, hardware, bandwidth, etc.).

This creates:

Additional friction

Extra market pressure

And unnecessary volatility

Instead of acting as a value-accruing asset, the token functions mainly as a pass-through payment instrument, adding complexity without clear economic benefit.

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2. Weak Value Accrual for Token Holders

At the moment, token demand is not directly tied to network usage growth.

Key concerns:

Customers do not need STORJ tokens to use the service

Increased storage demand does not automatically increase token demand

Token price growth depends mostly on speculation, not fundamentals

This means:

If the project grows → token may stagnate

If the project slows → token price collapses

In such a model, token holders absorb risk, while the business can theoretically continue operating using fiat revenues alone.

That creates a perception that:

> The network can survive without the token, but the token cannot survive without the network.

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3. Long-Term Risk: Token Becoming Economically Optional

If this structure remains unchanged, there is a long-term risk that:

STORJ becomes economically optional

The token is seen as a cost layer, not a core protocol asset

Price appreciation depends only on market cycles, not adoption

This is dangerous for long-term investors because:

If STORJ is removed or reduced in importance, SNOs suffer, but the protocol still functions

Token holders are left with no enforceable claim on value, revenue, or governance

In other words:

> Without stronger utility, STOR

J risks becoming an operational expense token, not a value-bearing asset.