The digital cinema as potential Tardigrade use case?

It all hinges on Tardigrade being a proposition that is so much better that it makes the change worthwhile.
There already exists an infrastructure. Changing systems takes time, developer hours and is not without risk. The financial gain has to be significant to be worth the effort.

If they’re using S3 buckets then it seems like a no-brainer. If they’re using a bespoke system then it’s unlikely they will change.

so basically @direktorn was right in the beginning of the thread… :smiley:
funny how people who claim being in a particular industry actual know what they are talking about hehe

that sure is a big amount of data to work with… tho i don’t see why tardigrade couldn’t support that… only issue would be the whole limitation on their local bandwidth…

we should do a test next year on the max bandwidth tardigrade can handle sustained download…

i mean in theory it’s potentially limitless until we run into the collective bandwidth limit or some kind of internet bandwidth limit.

if nothing else it would be fun to see…

The argument wasn’t about the unedited movie size was, it was what the theater plays and downloads to play. Epically if were talking about a TV show with more then one season. The size can rack up pretty quick.

i duno what type of formats they move around for what and for which reasons… :smiley:
but yeah sure i guess, and an edited version would ofc take less space… atleast if we are consider if its unedited… but not like the scenes wouldn’t get more complex and sound would be added and also be much more complex…

an edited film might not be 350TB but i’m sure it’s enough to be unrealistic for most to work with.
i mean it’s been 10-20 years since i did anything in video and i do remember it being insane back then when uncompressed…

2006 for blueray 50 gb for a two sided, and that is a home media storage that is 14 years old… and people try to say that it takes up less space today for cinema’s… to be fair … its outrageous

fair i don’t know much about cinema movie storage…
but look at the NASA Apollo 11 recently released in 4K made from only original film…

yeah keep telling me that worse than what was recorded in the 1960’s is being sent to cinemas around the world today… :smiley: the more you say it, the more i believe it… hehe

it certainly wouldn’t surprise me if movies took 1/3 or 1/7 or so of what they where in their raw format, but i highly doubt they will be smaller than that… most compressed has quality loss… ofc i’m not talking low end movie theater, but ofc a nice one with good stuff…

around here some people seem to think a cinema is a projector and a sheet lol

but yeah 16 years ago a home movie took 50GB

Yeah for sure its not really realistic to work with any video files that are 350TB I have a hard enough time dealing with red files that are around 400gigs and up… If I had to transfer these out side of my network it would be alot of work… And I have a 10gig network and my server has massive transfer speeds to itself. It takes far to long. I also got my 3090s to help with editing these monster files.

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yeah video editing is like getting into container shipping in a sailboat… or something lol
atleast when one goes from the home user setup to the professional type setup

highly specialized setups.

infiniband is the way to go for nice speeds for networking, memory use to be pretty important for that kind of stuff… ofc it depends a lot what one is doing with the data…
if there is one thing i’ve learned over the years with computing… you can almost never get to much memory lol

wouldn’t mind a couple of 3090’s but i think just one would blow out my psu :smiley:

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I continued with a bit of research and tried to find more information who Storjlabs could talk to in that industry.
Let’s see, we have film studios, production companies for film and television and the distributors. Wikipedia has a list by country.
This is where cinemas basically get their movies from. But there are also service companies that offer solutions for cinemas including delivery of trailers, features and advertisement. And while delivery by HDD is still a thing, some have platforms already for delivering by satellite or broadband.

An example is Eclair Theatrical Services.
They offer various options for cinemas including a platform EclairPlay.

Such companies need resilient data storage and data transfer capacity which is also secure at high availability to deliver to cinemas connected to their platforms. This sounds like the perfect target for offering Tardigrade as storage and transfer medium.

@jocelyn: Maybe to forward to your sales to help to get them going. Feedback would be appreciated as always.


Wow @jammerdan very cool thank you! I have notified people internally. Really appreciate the suggestions. Everything we can do to let more folks know about the platform is always amazing and the suggestions from community are always extra welcome. Thaks for the links as well

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Independent certification of Tardigrade could help to bring big corporate customers on board.


I just read the last 50+ posts and I think that Tardigrade could be useful to film studios and production companies that edit raw footage across multiple geographic locations. It would allow all parties to have access to the files at a high speed without needing to have a local copy at every location. That means the movies could be edited in the US while special effects are made in Europe or something like that.
But I think that this can only work once Storj figures out how to scale the number of pieces according to the usage.
The marketing team could already contact studios and set them up a testing account so that they can start running some tests on the network.


And don’t forget the Chinese movie industry that is about to surpass Hollywood.
However I have no idea (yet) if and how China can be a market for Tardigrade.

I mean they have their own SAT, so why not offer them to store on Tardigrade too? lol

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@jocelyn: Here comes another huge list of potential partnerships from the content industry.

The idea was, how to get a foot in the door? The solution I came up with was to integrate with existing software that is used by media industry professionals. Either by integrating natively (similar to Filezilla integration), plugin/connectors or by becoming a storage partner.
For that it is quite interesting to look at what professionals from the industry are using and keep digging… :sweat:

Now here are 3 software solutions that are used by absolutely professionals:

easyDCP Publisher and easyDCP Creator developed by Fraunhofer Institute is used to create DCP packages for the digital cinema. If a native Tardigrade integration or a plugin would be created, users could upload their media files seamlessly to Tardigrade for storage, sharing or distribution.

Next one is Blackmagic Designs DaVinci Resolve. It is being used in professional productions as well, as an article in the AWS Media Blog proves. The article even gives some more backgrounds how Covid-19 has also affected the media industry in the need of cloud storage and cloud collaboration solutions. I even came up with another idea after reading…
The DaVinci forum shows there is the need for cloud storage solutions from their clients.
Blackmagic Design offers various SDKs for their products and a developer community. This could be an approach for a Tardigrade integration or a connector.

3rd one is Avid, offering different software solutions, some with cloud integration/readiness others ready for becoming a developer with them either for native integration or build tools for their professional users.

Now that research led me to some interesting quotes from what professionals are using. And even if this one is a bit dated, it gives an interesting insight:

For DCPs and Prores files that will be used at film festivals I work for I use Filemail, SFTP, Amazon S3 and IBM Aspera

Sounds like the kind of professional to which Storj should advertise the Tardigrade service, huh? :grin:

But this all took me to the very interesting companies, Storj could directly contact to become a storage partner. Let’s start with IBM Aspera. According to the document OpenStack Swift (v 1.12) for IBM Cloud and Rackspace, Amazon S3, Windows Azure BLOB, Akamai NetStorage, Google Storage, and Limelight Cloud Storage are validated for usage. Wasabi claims it has been validated as well. In the document IBM claims

Aspera continually adds support for new third-party storage platforms as market demand is demonstrated

IBM Aspera can be contacted here.

Second one is Masstech with their solution Kumulate for the hybrid cloud. Storj should contact them and apply for becoming a partner.

3rd one is Lucidlink with their Cloud Nas Solution. Storj should try to become a partner and contact them.

Partnering with these companies could be really beneficial. To give an idea what massive amounts of data the IBM Aspera solution is used to deliver this article is very interesting: It’s a game changer that will allow us to manage an estimated 250 terabytes of content.


Your research is awesome !
I don’t have anything to add but I just wanted to thank you for all the work you put in researching this stuff.


Thanks. Honestly before looking closer into this I was not even aware of how much data that industry produces. It is unbelievable. And we are talking mostly about Hollywood. But there is also ‘Bollywood’ and the Chinese media industry. If Storjlabs happen to partner with some of them the usage would/could explode. And then there is also endless TV productions that need storage solutions.
While certainly Tardigrade is not suitable for every usage, I believe it could become some interesting backend storage in one way or the other. The cloud is a big thing for this industry and Tardigrade could have its fair share. Maybe it would need some more tailoring especially for this industry. But the demand seems to be huge and maybe worth it.


I can only imagine how much data mega youtubers like Linus Tech Tips generates with keeping all of their production data. I think one of their more recent things they have something like a PetaByte of on-site storage now and they’re still growing.

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Problem with those is probably they don’t keep it in the cloud but on local hard drives. We need use cases that appreciate cloud upload, storage and download.

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