snorkel, Bravo! exactly, the "mantra" of "use what you have" is obsolete, by design!
@snorkel Bravo! exactly
if You pay for renting that “hardware that is running anyway.”
You instantly making incentive to expand hardware, to be paid more.
So ppl buy used HDD for STORJ EXCLUSIVELY to add to theirs setups.
Or even the whole setup to run them.
AND even if not, with money got from You,
they expand existing hardware for them and for the storj both.
So You got to understand that, actions make a reaction,
Any money for the “hardware that is running anyway.”
making ppl want more of that money.
So and to expand and expand, as much as that money allows.
If You think, You gonna just cut the money by half,
so the ppl will be back to using “hardware that is running anyway.”,
Then no, ppl will not use STORJ at all then.
Like many noticed here before,
don’t want to repeat, they explained very well why.
Too little reward, for the users effort, for resources (space),
and for wearing “hardware that is running anyway.”
And one should NOT share a HDD with Storj node, just not optimal.
The HDD should to be only for Storj project.
But do what suits You best.
It should be profitable even for small operators.
By small operator i mean, all You need is to put minimum a HDD, dedicated.
Either by some raspberry pi, or adding a HDD to Your home server setup.
Effort just has to be small ENOUGH, and easy to make a new Node Operator,
so the network gain power.
To people in STORj:
You are not another hosting company, that HAS to be careful if it charges enough for each GB, because it is very limited by the size of the Internet connection in the facility.
so USE it for Your advantage!
Use for Your advantage, what makes You different.
or You won’t break through the hosting market ceiling.
So proposition is:
payout to SNOs:
$3-4/TB for storage filled
(for bandwidth, it depends)
Offer to Customers:
$3 to $4 per TB for storage
$0.2 to $1 per TB bandwidth
That eliminates the high bandwidth cost for Customers,
so eliminates economical barrier to use STORj.
And making it unmatched for any traditional hosting competitors.
Also no obsolete centralized technology, what for, Your not one of them!
$0.2 to $1 per TB bandwidth is small?
How about from 5% of traffic of the entire internet!?
Or from 10-15%+
How fast You can take over the market with this offer?
Details, click to unfold
You can offer flat for everyone, or threshold.
$0/TB if 0 - 150GB/month
(150GB would be $0.03/month, i don’t know, if should be free,
user would need to load some STORj to the acc!
Would be incentive to get STORj from the market, good for price.)
$0.2/TB if 0 - 10,000 TB/month
$0.5/TB if 10,001 - 100,000 TB/month
$1/TB if 100,001 - infinity TB/month
The less TB, the less $, because those are starting business, that needs every penny.
And big traffic, presume, are able to pay finally.
So You can adjust prices later on to piss them off, like everyone does.
I would like it to be flat for everyone.
But later if You need to rise for big ones to $2 or $3,
You will have to for everyone too (small ones).
Or introduce those threshold then, and just rise for selected usage, when You need it.
Also with threshold, You can pay SNOs, for egress too,
from better paying ranges.
If You getting $1/TB, pay SNOs $0.2/TB
Just an example.
Come F*CKING on,
You have a hen laying golden eggs,
and You about to butcher her to save on food she eats.
In this plan:
Customers want to use STORj, because its offer is unmatched.
The more customers use STORJ, the more HDDs are filled,
and SNOs would want HDD’s to be filled fast to get money.
Payout by storage gives stability, predictability of income,
because no one can ensure the egress.
And frankly, there are no storage, and no egress anyway, because no customers,
under current offer $4/TB storage and $7 bandwidth for them.
And bandwidth is the true power of SNOs and STORj, the decentralized internet connections!
So use it as it should be.
You are not another hosting company, that HAS to be careful if it charges enough for each GB, because it is very limited by the size of the Internet connection.
And Energy prices in Europe are doomed to go up and have crisis.
Limits for energy are being put,
like in Poland, basic limit with $0.22/kWh price is now 2000kWh for a year
You pass that, prices goes 2 times more at minimum. (1 USD is now 4,47 PLN)
So You need to pay by storage.
No fake egress needed just to pay SNOs.
You can JUST pay.
Also Fake egress is waste of resources as @vovannovig is hammering.
And makes just confusion for everybody for whats really the networks usage.
Eliminate it!
This plan also:
Entangles SNOs increase with Customers needs for resources.
So the Customers come, SNOs provide Customers, that regulates SNOs quantity,
if HDDs filling fast, SNOs adds HDDs faster (as a new node) or new SNOs come.
If slow, then they don’t add, and some SNOs quit.
The more customers, the more it’s visible to Prospect customers,
and more they want to becomes one.
Also no need for any custody, held for 12 months,
or partial payment, in fear that node will disappear.
if SNO disappear, he will not get it’s monthly payment.
It’s counter intuitive to disappear if You want money!
It’s simple, and it’s easy, SNO gets full pay from the start.
And he won’t get it, if he quits. Simple story.
No playing around with some silly “gracefull exit”.
You can keep it, if You need it.
Just make it as additional reward.
Like SNO has 3TB storage and wants to quit?
Quit with grace, and get e.g. $9 more, or just quit and get $0 more.
Some will just quit, and so what?
Some quit now as well, network didn’t collapsed.
But it MIGHT collapse, if You cut SNOs payouts.
i explained more in length here click me
It also addresses the /24 ip limit problem,
eliminating SNOs die off, at HDD failure,
Because SNOs will have money for HDD replacement, no matter what the egress is.
@littleskunk, click to unfold, about cheating the approach by restricting upload
So in paying for storage model, i described, STORJ should check if SNO is giving enough upload speed for the amount of TB he stores or even want to store. But not just a speed test. Data from real performance. Can satellites know in what time, what sized pieces are transferred? or determinate it somehow, so STORj can know the real speed in action? and if that falls below some point, average, for last e.g. 24h …
if SNO assigns e.g. 18TB to the network, should have some reasonable big enough up speed, he shall be informed before, what are the requirements.
if real performance shows SNO doesn’t have it, SNO would be informed, and some action need to be design for that.
For example if You assigns with 18TB and really your pieces goes with 10Mbps upload max, that’s too slow, either You rise that somehow, or get penalized, paid less per TB storage, or something else.
Just some Anti-cheating mechanisms so ppl won’t just cheat.
Notice, You could eliminate VPNs imitating another location with this, because cheap ones, rarely got more than 20-30Mbps upload, and making STORj bad latency. No more nodes siting in data centers, imitating real user, and stopping decentralization.
SNOs still should have options in config file to limit monthly TB bandwidth,
and
to limit requests per second.
So the connection won’t saturate, making internet hard to use.
You see this is whole new approach, but i believe it’s critical to take it, to prosper,
And the details how to execute it, should be figured out.
You didn’t responded to my previous message to You,
i think this here is shorter to read now,
and You can see, it address all 3 points You mentioned in Your previous post.
- Customers will pay more than SNOs gets for it. Solved.
- Can be free accounts, just if they don’t pay up to 150GB, SNOs don’t get paid for that too.
SNOs have a lot of bandwidth to give away. But You have to somehow make sure it is not abused, like someone said: let add customers phone, or credit card. But that i don’t like, because i like no knowledge, no KYC, especially not right from the start. When i need to just upload something for someone fast, STORj comes handy. And if someone uploaded up to 150GB backup once, up to now, it should be there free for ever. "Lex retro non agit " Or You just limit it in time for testing, from now on, and after e.g. 3 months time out, pay us. Or, there is no free accounts from now on, and traffic is $0.2/TB from first byte. That would be $0.45 for 150GB stored, for ever and Armageddon resistant, and $0.03 for every 150GB bandwidth. Solved. - Test data elimination. No need for such test data as it is now, just to pay a SNOs. Solved