Update Proposal for Storage Node Operators

jammerdan, I would like to invite you to check that approach

@jammerdan I would like to invite you to check approach, where lowering the price, is supposed to make you increase your earnings, and would like to hear from You what You think, here

RauchenwaldC, but this is the point

@RauchenwaldC but this is the point, they couldn’t get any serious customers anyway, so mayby really low prices approach, will knock the doors down and start a REAL revolution and liftoff! so SNOs can be well compensated, i wrote about it here

Tony_boy_32, Dont leave, support this idea, here

@Tony_boy_32 Dont leave, support this, here

Vadim, thats a good, clear example,

@Vadim thats a good, clear example, thank You very much, please check different approach i wrote about, here, and tell what do You think.

striker43, exactly, ''Seeing this, for a developer it’s much easier to just use the hosted gateway.''

@striker43 exactly, “Seeing this, for a developer it’s much easier to just use the hosted gateway.” So until those things are fixed, there must be REALY something, to make them want to use it, how about unmatched affordability? what will also secure SNOs payments, i explain here

Buganu, not necessary the prices, but the sales, but if they was unable to do so for 2 years?

@Buganu not necessary the prices, but the sales, but if they was unable to do so for 2 years? Come up with a proposal to a proposal, that should make sales much easier, here

Abernathy, Well said.

@Abernathy Well said. Got idea for different approach, You may want to look at, and tell if You would support it?, here

zanerv, then say if You see a solution in that:

@zanerv then please check the proposal to the proposal and say if You see a solution in that? here

MattJE96011, Well said. Despite all that, i still can see how Storj be profitable.

@MattJE96011 Well said. Despite all that, i still can see how Storj be profitable. i presented it, here

@john all those feedbacks up to now, speaks for itselfs.
Also what customers will want to work with a company known, from trying to make its workers slaves in shabby clothes, or disks in this case?
Will he perceive such company as good to store he’s data there?
Or will he rather not want to have anything to do with it?
Did You guys think about it from this angle?
I see different approach, approach of prosperity, please, take a look, here.

But it seems we are actually losing SNOs already:

But may be coincidence.

This is what Backblaze is making from it:

Fully integrated for ease and speed, with free egress from Backblaze B2

Should be possible for Storj to do something similar which might really help with costs.
But it also seems to be an interesting offer for customers anyway.

Made me laugh here in the cold and the dark

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So, the team has closed all branches of the discussion of the profitability of the Storj project, I think they will close this one.

I would like to draw the team’s attention once again that if you change the conditions for operators for the worse, it would be nice
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!!! to make some kind of compensation for those who came to other conditions: unlock escrow, or make an airdrop !!!.
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They’ve literally closed my previous topic on my request so we can have this discussion in one place. It wasn’t to stop the discussion but to organize it a little. We have more up to date information here, so it’s better to discuss it here now.

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imagen

Extracted from: STORJ Token Balances and Flows Report: Q4 2022

:clown_face: will not be relocked

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I do agree on that more can be done on the PR side of things. I honestly found out about Storj just pure coincidence when looking through HashBackup’s supported destinations (which is already buried deep in the list).

I don’t think any major companies would be willing to experiment their data on such a new concept, but perhaps more small scale operations might be willing to take a look at it? Think towards small business/personal storage needs.

With that said, we should be expanding the number of platform integrations/mentionings hard. Storj is S3 compatible already, so there’s barely any technical work required for this. Storj should reach out to all kinds of platform and use cases such as data backup solutions. Storj can start by reaching out to all platform vendors mentioned on B2’s already integrated platforms.

Apart from PR, I’m not a SNO (yet…?) but perhaps there’s something that we can do about the over-supply of storage?

Update 1:
Was looking into hosting my own platform for surveillance cameras (because of recent Ring’s scandal), and found out Kerberos supports storing their video footage on S3 compatible buckets.

Again, I really think Storj should be pushing hard for its publicity.

On that screenshot I see 5 addresses. On the blockchain only 4. Looks like tranche H has been moved: TokenTimelock | Address 0x597D98cbe427B4470e1E9216cfa431c773e9ec98 | Etherscan

We are reading all posts, and this is a proposal, not an announcement, so it can be adjusted.

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Not relocked. Tokens have been moved to Storj Multisig 1 and one hour later 20M STORJ have been transfered again to another wallet for “other” or undefined transfers (27 transfers, 14.6M STORJ in total).

If you follow some interesting transfers:

Inflow


Outflow

It seems they are dumped in binance :clown_face: CZ in the loop

Edit: running on chain data analysis

imagen

With proposed pricing it will be automatically,

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I’m curious what @Th3Van thinks about the change in payouts. How low can he go, and how will it affect his setup.

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You can use a python binding, see GitHub - storj-thirdparty/uplink-python: Python bindings for libuplink

You may use a native integration as well: Implementing Nextcloud Using Storj - Storj Docs

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Keep in mind, customers also have the option to self host an S3 gateway ST, which would avoid these extra costs. Unfortunately with the current pricing system they have no incentive to do so as the used of gateway MT is completely free to them.

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Which is crazy. It needs to be the other way around: Incentives for native integrations and usage and ‘penalties’ for using the expensive additional centralized infrastructure that Storj is operating to make customers happy.

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You can: Self-hosted S3 Compatible Gateway - Storj DCS Docs
But it’s mean that you need to run something in your infra. Many of developers prefer to use our Storj-hosted S3 Compatible Gateway - Storj DCS Docs instead, even if usage of a native libraries could be more robust: Storj Client Libraries - Storj DCS Docs

This always was our proposal for years. Someone call it “mantra” :smiley:

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You can’t use the spare drive space on HDDs that store other data, your backups or media files, etc. because storj nodes increase the wear of drives and reduce their life. And accessing your personal data will compete with storj access time needs. I won’t put my files to risk for a few $ per month. The serious storagenodes will always use their own drives. Other thing to consider is that with the increase in energy prices, many don’t keep their machines 24/7 running, but only if they run Sorj nodes on them. So I don’t know if there are to many now, who wants to make more than a few bucks, have lots of TB laying around and keeps their PCs running 24/7, and they don’t have to invest in new hardware and more energy costs to run storagenodes. That “mantra” is obsolete.
My biggest “laying around” drives were 2TB videosurveillance WD with 2-3 years of use.

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