Sure you can dislike my messages but that isn’t going to change reality. You have still time to adopt. I have given plenty of warnings regarding the new upload pattern.
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Can you guys revisit the time it takes to vet new nodes? Obviously US1 and EU1 are the only ones that matter in terms of traffic. It would be nice if EU1 didn’t complete vetting in a few days and US1 complete vetting in a few months. Would like to see vetting sped up and more consistent. I have quite a few more nodes to bring online and it would be good to see that optimized.
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Yes. The team is already working on that. We need to get down to less than a month better make it just a week.
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What ‘reality’? Your reality changes every few months. Not long ago, you (developers) told SNOs ‘do not buy new hardware, use what you have,’ and now, all of a sudden, we all need to have enterprise-grade routers, a bunch of servers, and become professional sysadmins. Do you really think that many people would invest more money and much more time into a project with such low income, high demands on hardware and skills, and that requires so much time to keep track of all the bugs and ‘tests’? People will just go to other projects, and you will lose SNOs and network capacity. Can you guarantee that in a few weeks you won’t change your ‘reality’ again? Storj needs to be more predictable so we can plan our ROI. The last two months have been a mess. No new nodes from me.
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I think Storj is changing, and this change (unfortunately) weeds out the (as they call it) potato nodes. The network grew on those nodes, and wouldn’t be here if it weren’t for those SNOs. However, if Storj actually lands some big customers, the network (and SNOs) needs to change to be able to accommodate them. Where you will not add new nodes, other SNOs are upgrading and adding more hardware. While I agree with your point of view, and it’s frustrating that we went from “use what you have” to “your node runs on a potato”, I’ll be moving my nodes to a server in a datacenter. In the end what matters is that the node is profitable, and maybe gives you some enjoyment as a hobby. I don’t feel Storj cares either way, as long as there is enough performant and reliable storage in the network to accommodate the customers.
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We have like 63% of unused space in the network. This can not be a healthy situation for any storage business.
Instead of asking for even more unused space storj should start to fill this empty space.
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I can guarantee that in a few weeks there will be another customer that would like to use the network in a different way.
I will forward that wish to the customers but I don’t have hope that they will change something on their side.
Look to your left. Now look to your right. How it comes that there are so many storage nodes to begin with? I joined this project because I wanted to learn new skills. I wanted to learn more about linux and blockchains. Mission accomplished and as a nice little bonus I will soon get a decent payout.
You might as well leave now. That will give us a better estimate of how much throughput we can get with the nodes that are happy to take the money.
Common we all did the math right? I wasn’t the only one that calculated how much payout I will get at the end of the upload cycle? I don’t understand where you are getting your numbers from. Maybe you can explain a bit what your math looks like. In the past days I have seen node operators with 500MBit/s. The maximum I can currently take is 250MBit/s. /8*3600*24*30=81TB=120$ payout every month. That is like a dream situation for my storage node. Scale up to a 120$ payout in just a month? I take it! I don’t know why you don’t want that money but I take it!
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I have 2 coworkers running Pi3, Pi4 and Pi5. Sure they will not get the same payout as a powerful machine but they also have lower costs. The new node selection keeps their nodes allive. The Pi3 is a bit unresponsible but otherwise keeps running with grow rates that non of us thought possible for a “potato” node. I am thinking about migrating my nodes to a few Pi5. They are more efficient. In my case I just need to split the incoming 250MBit/s on enough nodes to make it work.
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I’m a simple man with only a few drives allocated. i’ve noticed the increase in activity.
But I don’t really analyze anything until the end of the month to get a good feel for how much the storj node is earning per TB allocated.
My electricity costs are high.
If the profit is high enough over the electricity cost, and I run out of disk space, I’ll add another one-disk node.
However, if the payout per TB drops to be not much more than the cost of keeping the drive runnnig, then I’ll start removing drives.
A pattern of usage where it’s high ingress (which isn’t paid), but low egress, and also high trash (which isn’t paid) will reduce the profitability. Enough to decommission drives? probably not. I hope not.
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Oh yea we are all having this conversation because the traffic is so low 
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I think it’s really embarrassing that Storj has this extremely bad attitude towards us SNOs. It’s a real cowboy company that swings left and right. You should really work on your attitude, it’s a bloody joke.
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Use VM’s and VPNs, circumvent the net /24 IP rule 
i think Andrew have some point a little bit.
So Storj, thx for the HDD filling - it was long awaited!
But if its enough to expand? is the question.
We will see if this will be appealing to the SNOs to for example, to double the space in next 2-4months.
if not, then “back to You John!” ;> - (You know, like in television, news reporting;P)
SNO have the false impression that this would be mining and we would change the rules for fun. No we are talking about paying customers and if the customer want to upload a high amount of data the company can either say yes or no. So I ask you. Do you want this to work out or should we go back to the old slow grow rate?
I am just overworked. So I am kind of sorry not sorry. If you have a problem with my attitude I can also stay silent. Again it doesn’t change reality. I am just delivering a message to you about the load pattern that we might have to expect. You can take that message or ignore it. My attitude isn’t going to change that.
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Out of nowhere, you go from buying potatoes to needing enterprise gear. You go from no throughput to extreme throughput, which is completely artificial, and then you ask us to invest more, but the data will only be there for 30 days, generating an extreme load on our disks, which reduces their lifespan. Considering the signals you’re sending us SNOs, it feels like a company suffering from bipolar disorder. It’s hard to trust what you say, especially with such a bad attitude. You really need to get your act together. We want stability and a clear picture of the direction we’re heading. Don’t you understand that how you communicate has a significant impact? No offense, littleskunk, but are you the right person to handle external communication for Storj?
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Is it OK if I just sit here quietly off to the side, and keep my node online, and collect payouts?
Or I do I need to manufacture some outrage too? 
Storj (and @littleskunk ) and doing a good job, and I appreciate the money they send me every month. I’m staying online and will expand when I fill.
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At the moment I would say no. No deals signed yet. All that has changed is that we hit the required throughput and can maintain it for hours. So it gets more likely that these deals can be signed.
The second thing that has changed is that for the first time in weeks you can start planning. I am not saying you should execute the plan. I am saying you can start estimating how much bandwidth and space you would need to match the new situation. And the answer can be to change nothing and just wait.
In my case I did upgrade my internet connection but without the usual 12 month contract time. I can downgrade within a month if needed. I also added 4 additional hard drives that I had laying around for this day anyway. It is possible that I might need more. I don’t think I can put more disks into my current system so a Pi5 system would be my choice. Just because I wanted to play around with a Pi5 anyway. I am looking for an ideal setup and there is some ext4 knowledge that I need to catch up. I can do the planning now without ordering any new hardware.
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Yes please. I have way too much fun with this. You need to slow me down a bit. In my head I am already thinking about the size of a 120$ popcorn container
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I prefer slow grow that fill my hdd for a long time like in the past. Wait to totally fill up a disk and expand. If I had the choice I would discard all temp data with low TTL (if there are customers that need to store data quite permanently)
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Can you elaborate what pattern this client want to use?
you need big throughput- Ok
data will be with TTL- it will be a 1 day, 1 week, 1 month any estimate?
As i understand there is a lot of data. After TTL expire there will be a new data with TTL?
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Yes, you can applaud as much as you want, I don’t care. But I’m speaking for those of us who might be in the 100TB+ range. I personally have about 1 petabyte allocated to Storj and I’m trying to keep up with the changes, which is difficult. I want things to go well for Storj, but I think the communication and attitude are absolutely unacceptable. Also, the constant back and forth makes it impossible for me to make decisions about loading on 5-10 petabytes with this level of instability. Come on. I don’t think I’m the only one who is frustrated about this.
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