Voluntary Payout Reductions — and How to Set One Up

[arrogantrabbit]

@Grimm

12 to 18TB per IP address maybe $15 a month

Hmm. This does not compute. 12TBM is 12*.15 = 18. And this is storage only. Egress is extra. This is my 12TB node. The 4-year old one. The largest one. it pays $20.

Fun fact – note how repair traffic is double the useful egress… That’s the cost of node turnover when operators who are running on razor margins suddenly don’t make profit and leave.

@Grimm

disagree, power is most European countries is expensive and

So you want me to disprove my own point?

Ok, so it won’t be 20 month, it will be 40. 5W translates into 3.6kWh/month (units gore xkcd: Uncanceled Units). So even if you pay 50 cents – it’s like couple of euro. But you should not be using drive exclusive for in the first place…

@Grimm

I am lucky if I get $11 per month and I have Fiber Gigabit, maybe I am the opposite outlier but for a single IP it is what it is for me.

Again, explain. Show the screenshot. I don’t understand how do you get $11 with $12 TB stored, at $1.5/TBm.

@Grimm

specially on a fresh start or for some reason the drive dies, adding drives or upgrading is unfeasable, convertion to fiat and what not.

Another reason not to run naked drives for storj. My nodes are on a separate dataset on the single pool where everything is stored. Pool is redundant. It won’t fail.

@Grimm

If you want to reduce the payment, the outlier has to be the norm agree? So you have to drop the /24 restriction.

I don’t know what’s an outlier at this point. I don’t understand how are people hosting 30012 does under the same roof with storj being oK with this. My earlier sentiment:

@arrogantrabbit

No, the question is how is such concentration is tolerated by storj.

If I run two nodes on my single host I’m the villain. But if I run 2892 nodes in the same shed — I’m valued member of node operator community. Go figure.

So no, I’m running one node per location (except one place, where I run two, on the same IP) and that’s why I have 8 of them and not 80.

@Grimm

Or you don’t do anything at all because we do not know how many outliers are if there are that many and how much data they concentrate, so it is the best interest of Storj to just keep SNOs has it is, you don’t want an exodus that might break something or concentrate too much of something correct?

Yes, except even when looking at it as at a black box – we see there are plenty of nodes and nobody leaves. Meaning, payment can be reduced.

@Grimm

And lets face it, if the recommendations of single drive nodes and what not is to be taken seriously, this has to have some sort of profit, why would I buy a drive to loose money?

You won’t, and that’s the precisely the intended effect!

@Grimm

I understand what you mean by to many nodes, half of the pool is free space, but again one wrong move and we might be doing emergency repairs or worse, that’s reputation down the drain on an already shaky ground, bad for business.

I don’t follow the logic. How does amount of free space relates to the durability?