I see no reason to argue. You asked which customers other than the backup use case would use Storj. I answered that question. I don’t care if you believe it or not. My storage node clearly shows some download spikes from time to time and I have given you the reason why these customers don’t use Backblaze instead.
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sorry, I didn’t get it. So the Stat from the satellites doesn’t match your reality?
Please elaborate
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Well im not, that’s just a hypothesis, remember? ;>
didn’t bet all my money on that hah.
Beside that, lets see, gr8, now You have 4 unused disks. if theirs market value is $1-10 even for each, what a crappy small disks are those? certainly not sustainable to put for Storj, will bring You more loss, than surplus. All i’m saying it’s all about the details.
Different case, if they are worth like $100-200 each, then, sure You can sell it, if you don’t need them. Or You can risk and put them in Storj, in hope it will bring You more benefit than costs in the final settlement. But You have to have in mind, that’s rather a marathon, than a sprint!
Gotto keep that nodes to get some pennys every month!
i mean upsss, after months of vetting first i meant…
Free disks You say right? if one costs $200 (that would be like 14TB)
Say You have 2 years warranty left from original 5.
How much You have to run it with STORJ, to get its current market value $200?
that You would have otherwise instantly, if You would sold it right away?
2-3 years? What if before this time the disks will break down?
Wouldn’t You be better off, if You would sell those disk instead right away?
Even if they don’t have any more warranty left, they have market value.
Say it’s $150, 5 years old 10TB.
You put it on storj and “Time, Start, GO!”
In how much from this time, You will get that $150 from Storj NETTO?
And will You get it? before it breaks? and how much it will run after it pays You $150.
That’s the risks. May payoff, or may be not worth the efforts who knows!
And along the way You have to keep the node running of course, and be ready for troubleshooting.
But i guess You are a great, great adventurous, adventurer!
And You want to try new tech things!
Whatever happens, it will be at least a grrrrreat adventure!
Alrighty then!
But in another post here (No.121), You got me wrong, i meant it’s not sustainable globally, i meant for the STORJ, to grow upon such a semi-caring people, who may or may not care about how their storage node works, and if it has any problems or not, "it works cool, it don’t, i will check later…whatever. "
1st i meant that there’s not many such people globally to relay on, to build a reliable storing business, in global scale. Simply not enough of them that willing to install storagenode, if not enough rewarded.
and 2ndly, i thing those are just not right people to build a business with.
You need a dedicate SNOs, like me or many here, who check the nodes every day, or every other day. And are ready to react fast if Uptimerobot’s alert says so. Are passionate. And want to be treated good, like partners.
If You want to be serious, You have to work with serious people.
I think Your management knows it well, that’s why they decided to move efforts for the SOC2,
to 1st - not have to deal with those pesky private SNOs anymore one day, and 2nd to finally have those HOT certs and onboard some cool big fat corpos for hosting, that would be NEAT, right!?
I, on another hand, think there could be a broader revolution, if cheap and affordable Storj would be hosted in mass by normal people.
because disks costs, and if You don’t use it, You can sell the drive, and rather have no additional problems, than risk 2-3 years to see if You can make more benefits in return, and having a node, and having to keep it, with all possible problems, maybe dealing with troubleshooting.
I remember someone posts a graph, that putting a hdd for storj burdens it, moee than other activities. That’s why enterprise grade HDD’s were invented for, and not silly consumer grade HDDs some wolfs, or other blues…, that’s why also a serious SNOs like me have only enterprise grade HDDs… but i heard You like occasional storage nodes operators more, with unused space? aaaaaalrighty then again!
And me? i see. Even 2.25 x 2.75 = $6,19/TB storage works, what? is it too big? not for a decentralized revolutionary service! Compare with cheap egress? Why the offer cannot be $7 for storage and say $1, $2, $3, or $4 for egress? in fact it would be better to let go those customers who want use storj only as a cold hosting, and never download a thing. Maybe we would be better off with mostly hot usage, with our advantage of great performance, but i’m afraid customers, who don’t need certs, also NEED lower prices, and were never interested seeing 7$ tag price for egress.
hetzner cloud, how much it takes for storage?
i see 53,62 euro per 1TB, just for storage, but that’s ssd.
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does this chart show actual customer data or it includes the synthetic data still sent to the nodes?
anyone can check if the ingress today is around 25GB per node? 
yes, 25 gb per /all nodes in /24 subnet, also more repair egress.
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You don’t need to have an array at home. But if you do, for the purposes of storing data long term, it has to be redundant. See below
Depends on a videos. You may not review a photo or video for decades, but when you ultimately do — it would be very disappointing to find that it rotted. You can’t go back in time and re-live the moment to take another photo or video of it. Family photos and videos are irreplaceable. That’s one example.
To guarantee consistency you need checksumming and periodically scrub. But that alone is only enough to detect the corruption. To repair it - you need some source of redundancy. Hence — redundant array, as a cheap way to accomplish that.
I did not have an array for a long time too - storing stuff at g-suite and mounting with rclone. But eventually, for many small reasons, I figured home server suits the purpose better. Main of those being able to host Time Machine backups from multiple macs across the world with minimal efforts on users part. And then it became a second backup destination for myself too.
Fact, I just registered. And if you look in the column “reason for registration” (I suspect that this is for admins), it will say “dissatisfied with the tariffs” or something like that, I don’t remember the wording))))))
But, in order not to be a classic Internet spammer, I’ll give a small spoiler: tomorrow check the DM from the topicstarter.
P.S. I’m not a random guy from the Internet, and I have more than 1PB used) And I’m not alone)
P.P.S. Honestly, I really liked your entire post and I support most of your arguments. But we are a team, and we will still have a discussion, as I already said - our task is not to break the network, but to convey our opinion. Although it seemed to me that you already understood this.
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They are old (2011 - 2014), sizes 1TB, 2x2TB (only one is shared, the second one is now offline with Pi3 - I cannot reanimate it remotely), 1x8TB (this one is used for VMs also, so shared only 6TB).
I do not have any loss, the server will be online anyway. These nodes still pay my electricity and internet bills.
no, they started to work on SOC2 to get customers to Storj, who wants SOC2 otherwise they are not interested in Storj despite all cool technologies, speed and encryption. It’s simple like that - no SOC2 offer, no SOC2-required enterprise customers.
Decentralization is still the main idea beyond encryption, so a public network is necessary for all other clients that do not require SOC2.
But if most customers use the edge services (I do not think the real numbers were published, but seeing how the edge services make up significant costs, I think that a lot of traffic goes through them), then the encryption and part of the decentralization goes away.
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You are correct, and I do not like it. I wish that we charge an additional for usage of edge services (at least S3), when the customers actually can use a native (i.e. they are building the system right now, not switch the existing one), but business is do what is best for the customers.
Business is often “do what is easiest for the customers”. And very many times easiest is not necessarily best. 
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Backblaze has exact same problem: to capture customers that can “switch s3 url easily” they had to build a very expensive support for s3 that does not align with their storage architecture.
Once customers are captured — then they can be potentially migrated to direct solutions, if that improves things from customer perspective, such as promising better performance.
A strike is something that happens between and employee and employer or worker and boss. SNO are not employee’s or even contractors. We simply supply our hardware and in that supply we hope to be compensated (payment of STORJ). This is why we have been told from early beta (SNO from 2019) use old hardware do not buy hardware for Storj.
What is being suggested is called extortion. Pay us or else…
Law. the crime of obtaining money or some other thing of value by the abuse of one’s office or authority.
You maybe considered a threat to Storj Labs Inc as a going concern.
Be careful what you wish for.
B.
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Or, since Storj said that “if you don’t like the new rates, you are free to leave”, they can shut down their nodes if they want to. They are under no obligation to make sure to shut them down one at a time and wait until the network recovers. Storj can even disqualify all the nodes that go dark at the specified time to prevent them from coming back.
I am not going to participate in this strike, but IMO others can do it if they want to. While the “don’t invest” and “do not use dedicated hard drives, much less servers for Storj” advice is repeated multiple times, I wonder what would happen if all nodes that run on dedicated hard drives or servers were to shut down quickly one after another - how many nodes and how much space would be left on the network.
Technically, my node runs on dedicated hard drives - while I use the pool for other things, the node, taking up 21TB is by far the largest. Also, since the pool is made up of 4TB and 6TB drives, you can say that the node completely fills at least 4 hard drives irrespective of how much other data is in the pool and the total size of the pool.
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It’s even more interesting than this.
Storj doesn’t have to pay until the 15th. The strike is on the 11th. Storj could delay October payment and then once the nodes shutdown on the 11th disqualify those nodes and not pay them a darned thing.
I’m not saying they should or would do this - but they certainly could.
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Can’t understand why everyone is not getting a basic simple concept and falling for the branding of storj i.e share your extra or free space with us. There is no thing as free space . The life of hard disk is roughly 4-5 years and if you are sharing it on storj thinking it’s free you are basically destroying it early by doing extra read and writes just for pennies storj is providing. Everyone here is like I am sharing my free space which is totally nonsense 
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Backblaze disagrees with you.
"and 65% are living longer than six years. "
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Hello @Yaty697 ,
Welcome to the forum!
Nobody says about free space, you share the unused space.
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And another good question is how stable a network assembled only on Raspberry Pi and rusty SMR drives at 5400 revolutions per minute will operate if all those who invested in building proper industrial solutions for the Storj network leave 
UPDATE: In fact, there’s a niche community of “hard drive enthusiasts” where IT experts converse, many of whom have specifically built storage solutions for Storj with capacities of 100 TB and above. From the sentiments I’ve gathered, an increasing number of individuals are shifting to Chia mining, which remains profitable. So, don’t assume that SNOs who’ve invested heavily are hostages of Storj inc. Additionally, there’s keen interest in tracking the progress of the TON Storage project. And at the end of the day, there’s always the option to sell off the hard drives, potentially without even incurring a loss on the initial investment.