This topic is for comments and discussion about the Commercial Storage Node Operator Program announcement: [image] Announcing Storj Commercial Storage Node Operator Program Announcements Storj operates a public network that anyone can join with tens of thousands of nodes in over a hundred countries. Enterprise customers have workloads that are appropriate for the network, but, for some storage use cases, those enterprise customers need specific types of storage in specific types of facilities. To serve those customer requirements, Storj created the Commercial Storage Node Operator Program. This program is for large scale storage providers with significant available storage and …

Well. You guys want to change the original product to adapt to a wrong marketing/sale direction? What the hell is going on? It’s ridiculous. The product is good, the original idea is brilliant, many people here agree with that. If you’re struggle to get new customers then think about the quality of your marketing/sale team. Maybe you just need to hire other people.

Some questions first: Will there be a minimum amount of storage/nodes/servers for the Commercial node operators? I can maybe get a server into a proper datacenter. What about the data integrity requirements? The same as for home nodes (lose enough data and get disqualified) or something different, maybe allowing backups? Other thoughts - on one hand I understand that some customers may demand certificates. It does not matter if the data is safe or not, it only matters if there is a piece of paper. Maybe the law or some other certification requires it. However, if the commercial operators are paid less than home operators AND customers are charged more, then it is more profitable for Storj to develop/promote the commercial version more than the home/public one. Even if customers are charged the same, it would still be more profitable to use the commercial operators. In that case, why bother with the public network at all (if it makes less money and cannot be certified)?

This is not about the quality, it’s about customers who requires SOC2.

i know i have been mostly negative about this new program… [image] Alexey: This is not about the quality, it’s about customers who requires SOC2. but this is one of the upsides… more usage and knowledge about Storj DCS, which might benefit consumer tier SNOs indirectly. Still not convinced it is going to be all good, but there has certainly been a lot of interesting debate about it. and i hope StorjLabs will keep pushing for getting something like SOC2 and other certs on the consumer tier network, so we can steal that workload from the data centers :smiley:

[image] IsThisOn: In my analogy: SOC2 = tomato quality And you know that very well. That is just cheap way to doge my bullets. People who are not knowledgeable about It like certifications. Heck, even ITIL was driven by accountants - NOT IT professionals. But it is the bean counters who make many of the purchasing decisions and the location of Storj nodes in Datacenters does look more professional I don’t see the new DC network cannibalizing home SNO’s at least in the short term. Because I think it is more likely those clients would simply not have been Storj customers to start with. You can’t lose what you never would have had. For my own company we tend to stick with established players in markets - because we don’t like re-doing work that needs to be charged out to clients. So, we tend to be very “sticky” with our service suppliers.

[image] IsThisOn: But instead, the average SNO got greedy. He did not see the real economics because of VC subsidies. Somehow he thought, he can provide storage cheaper than AWS or Backblaze. Which is just ridiculous. Why stop there? Why not sell homegrown tomatoes? They’re more similar than you think. I think many people do both of those things as a hobby and just to make some extra on the side. Not to outcompete the big players. It’s just fun and a little bit of cash is a nice bonus. Whether you sell tomatoes or run a node. I wouldn’t call that greed. [image] IsThisOn: In my analogy: SOC2 = tomato quality And you know that very well. That is just cheap way to doge my bullets. SOC2 doesn’t judge quality. It doesn’t even judge security to be honest. Not in a cryptographic sense at least. It just tests very specific (kind of outdated in the context of a product like Storj) security mitigations. (As I’m sure you are well aware, I’m just stating it as context for others) I don’t think this was a dodge. I was confused by your phrasing as well until I saw this response. It seemed you were suggesting the commercial network would be “better” in other ways too. [image] penfold: I don’t see the new DC network cannibalizing home SNO’s at least in the short term. Because I think it is more likely those clients would simply not have been Storj customers to start with. Well, I agree mostly. However it will depend on how that network is marketed. It being more profitable creates an incentive to upsell customers even if they don’t need the certifications. And it would be trivial to convince a customer that that network will also be more stable/secure/performant etc. So in the end whether or not it will in fact cannibalize the public network will depend a lot on how honest Storj marketing and sales will be in that process. And given the video I posted here I still have my doubts about that: Discussion on Commercial Storage Node Operator Program - #44 by BrightSilence

With your analogy SOC2 is more like deliver the same tomatoes in the silver boxes exactly for people who believes (in the Corp world they are forced to): “they are healthier than the same tomatoes in wooden boxes, because silver has bactericidal properties”, despite the fact that you will need to wash them from dirt and dust (decrypt) anyway to be able to eat (deliver content) them. Or even in the same wooden boxes but with a verified and confirmed certificate, that they are stored in the warehouse made of silver.

Just not to open another thread, Backblaze has will increase by $1 starting Oct. 3. Backblaze will soon make several updates to B2 Cloud Storage as part of our continuing work to provide the best high-quality, low-cost cloud storage alternative to traditional cloud providers like AWS. I’m writing today to outline the changes, which involve updates to our pricing as well as platform improvements you can expect to see in the months ahead. I’ll unpack them one by one: Storage Price Increase: Effective October 3, 2023, we are increasing the monthly pay-as-you-go storage rate from $5/TB to $6/TB. The price of B2 Reserve will not change. Free Egress: Also effective October 3, we’re making egress free (i.e. free download of data) for all B2 Cloud Storage customers—both pay-as-you-go and B2 Reserve—up to three times the amount of data you store with us, with any additional egress priced at just $0.01/GB. Because supporting an open cloud environment is central to our mission, expanding free egress to all customers so they can move data when and where they prefer is a key next step. Product Upgrades: From Object Lock for ransomware protection, to Cloud Replication for redundancy, to more data centers to support data location needs, Backblaze has consistently improved B2 Cloud Storage. Stay tuned for more this fall, when we’ll announce upload performance upgrades, expanded integrations, and more partnerships. Some things that aren’t changing: Storage pricing on committed contracts, B2 Reserve pricing, and unlimited free egress between Backblaze B2 and many leading content delivery network (CDN) and compute partners are all not changing. And, of course, there’s no change in our commitment to providing performant yet affordable cloud object storage for every customer who entrusts B2 Cloud Storage with their data. You can find more information on the Backblaze blog including a FAQ covering some of the questions you might have, and you can always reach our Support Team at hello@backblaze.com for questions specific to your business. Thank you for your continued business, Gleb Budman CEO, Backblaze

[image] anto294: Just not to open another thread Too late. [image] Backblaze raises prices Product Discussions After Wasabi, now Backblaze apparently also raises prices. Customers received an email with the following contents: [image]

Hi, Just a few questions So its’s something like filecoin? Maybe I’am wrong but what I so much like about Storj project is it is so decentralised vs filecoin etc… If you add the big company’s to the public network you really become decentralised even for them. Why not give the give the ‘small public network’ a change to become SOC2 with ‘self assesment software’ ? Lot of coding and maybe yet another contract with a software company… && Big company’s maybe not as happy, but it will come close, no? A big plus for all the storagenode who can provide that self assesment SOC2. Nodes fill up more quickly, maybe you can even stop with transition of the pricing because you will need a lot of storage SOC2. Please don’t be like filecoin. Multiple Pb on one location, nothing decentalised by that! I guarantee you really make a big impact on how storage should be handled in the future… Thank you for listing to my thoughts, and please comment Greatz Hello World

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