Graceful exit limitations

Node Operators
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Hi

Requested to remove graceful exit limitations on nodes in the topic of “Update Proposal for Storage Node Operators - Open for Comments”

Noone bothered so far to even answer it so opening a new topic. I would like to shut all my nodes and collect the witheld amount before your new pricing comes live. Thanks.

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I didn’t do a GE; what are the limitations?

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This is a test to simulate what would happen if we changed payouts in a similar manner on production satellites. When that happens, we will also not change the current rules for qualifying to do a graceful exist.

Therefore, those node operators who are considering stopping nodes that are not old enough to be able to gracefully exit from working with some test satellite(s) or all satellites, should take into consideration in their decision making process if it is worth removing these test satellites from their trust list in order to no longer receive any data from these test satellites, or even completely stop operating these nodes on all satellites, as this would imply foregoing the remaining held amount payout they could have gotten if they did not exit prematurely.

Update: In case a test satellite gets shut down after this payout test is over, the team may consider enabling early graceful exit for that satellite, as we have done before with the stefanbenten satellite.

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Maybe they are referring to the requirement for the node to be a few months old at least to be eligible for graceful exit?

But if the node is so new —

  1. it could not have accumulated enough held amount to be even worth the time spent writing this forum post, let alone allegedly twice: just shut down the nodes
  2. the network evidently considers them to small to bother with GE: just shut down the nodes.

Do getting few bucks really justify all this turmoil with multiple questions, waiting for responses, creating new threads, and asking storj team to implement new features that benefit users that leave?

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I don’t think it’s an unreasonable ask though. People made the decision to start when conditions were different. And graceful exit will also save on repairs. I don’t know how hard it would be to implement, but waving the GE limitation for nodes that started prior to the email with the announcement of changes going out might be worth considering. As long as it wouldn’t take too much development effort.

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Storj will have to pay the repair either way or the other. As this is the case, as an expression of a goodwill and considering the terms will be changed, I would allow graceful exit even for the nodes that are younger than required to gracefully exit at this time.

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How old must be a node to be allowed a GE?

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Node10, 7 and 2 months old. Not allowing me to Ge on the 7month old one. 10month old node on progress so not clear what the ge minimum amount. Total held amount is 40.

You changing the rules of the game then not letting people to leave. I mean you might want to consult this with your legal team.

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So is 15 months… a bit too long.

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Please read carefully the part where it says it was already reduced to 6 months.

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Temporarly… so we are in the temporarly faze :smiley:

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7month node doesnt run the command.

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Maybe there must be 6 months old, after it is vetted on that satellite? So would be 6 months + vetting period? I’m just guessing…

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GE rules are unrelated to vetting.

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then you are not full 6 month old, so soon will be 6 month, then you can exit it

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This sounds too long indeed. I was under assumption that it’s just a few months, when the amount of data accumulated is trivial and did not justify special efforts redistributing it; normal repair would suffice.

So I guess I don’t understand the point in preventing the GE when GE would be beneficial for the network: users that want to leave will leave with or without GE; essentially doing GE is a favor to the network they are abandoning — why prevent it at all?

What am I missing?

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Lets say only 1000 young node wants to GE with avarage 12 per node. Thats 12k to pay out so playing it dirty might revarding, repair would not cast that much

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I think he has around 60-70$ as held amount on all nodes. This is what I can aproximate from my nodes. The 7 month one has like 35$.

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It’s a measure to prevent people from starting many nodes and exiting less profitable ones in quick succession. It also prevents people from trying to skirt disqualification by exiting in some scenarios. Having a minimum basically prevents GE until a node has spend so much time collecting data that that kind of thing would always hurt more than it helps for SNOs. It’s a good thing to have in place, but that doesn’t mean a one time exception should not be considered in scenarios like this in my opinion.

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