Post pictures of your storagenode rig(s)

No one byte was lost.

Moreover, this server traveled 1,500 kilometers from the Urals to Moscow in the trunk and feels better and better every day. upon completion of rolling out the metadata, it will be moved to a new server case and installed in the data center

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YOU MUST PUT RAINBOW FANS ON IT!
The clients trust will go through the roof! :rofl:

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I thought you migrated data from Hetzner? Why Ural? Chelyabinsk?
Or save me God, Kurgan?

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Jokes aside, such a rig tells me that the owner/SNO is:

  • dedicated to run storagenodes;
  • skilled to run storagenodes;
  • invested to run storagenodes.
  • if something goes bad, he will fix it.
    So I would trust my data to him.
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Yes, migration from Hetzner is also coming to an end. I think it will be completed by the end of September.

this is a separate server not associated with hetzner

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Wow. Did not hear about Ekaterinburg so much regarding IT last time.
But have some good friends from there, however, the last year changed everythingā€¦

Alexei!
Whatā€™s going on in Kurgan?
Did I miss something ?
Perhaps the storj opened a portal there to China past the Great Wall of China?

Itā€™s time for me to share my node)
lsi 9211-it
3x18tb
the rest of the disks are all garbage
the server is on my balcony

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Do you have young kids at all? My boss has enough trouble with his daughter unplugging his Synologyā€¦

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My child has his own balcony, so there is no such problem))

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Yeah, the easy unplugability of Synology itā€™s one of the most annoying things with those NASes, besides the noise. I always check the total insersion of the charger even if I move the NAS 1 cm.

0_o how old are you ?
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Long rant incomingā€¦

Ok, so the issue you mentioned is direct consequence of Synologyā€™s plastic units with external PSUs being an e-waste nobody shall buy. Nobody. They are overpriced e-waste.

Allow me to explain.

The mere existence of of external PSU on any bit of equipment screams: "we wanted to cut all corners we could find, so why not outsource the PSU to the lowest bidder, that will also absolve us from too much work passing FCC EMC testing (we can just use good PSU for that) and then ship people crap.

Rule of thumb: external PSU ā€“ product is e-waste from the date of manufacture. Donā€™t pay money for it.

Next, lets look at the plastic lineup, starting with, lets say DS916+. It was one of the first years of models on intel chipset, and it was one of the OKish ones, cheap enough to justify turning blind eye on an external PSU, the horrible ID, where you have to bend over backwards and twist your wrists under unnatural angles to install RAM, etcā€¦ It was cheap though.

But then synology realized --wait, we can make this crap cheaper and sell for more! So they removed the metal faraday cage around MLB, replaced pentium with cheap Celeron (but hey, you can now do hardware transcode! yayā€¦), added pointless M2 ports, under plastic covers that will delaminate your fingernails while you try to open it, and price your thumbs while you try to get SSD to seat property, and then reset if MLC SS hangs. Ask me how do I know. And yes, they sell it for more. Thatā€™s DS918+ for you.

As a results there are user reports all over the place about these units rebooting when people wipe dust around them. Hello EMC protection, or lack thereof.

But wait, we can save even more cents if we remove one of the ram sockets and solder ram right on the motherboard, and make a few more cost cutting measures inside, I no longer care to elaborate more, and raise the price even more. Enter DS920+. At this point I stopped watching the drama.

Now, if you add 20% of cost of this trash, you enter DS1618+/DS1619+/ā€¦ lineup. Which uses actual CPUs with a lot of cache (responsiveness), use metal cases (shielding), internal PSUs (quality and reliability) with nema plugs (you can to try really hard to eject it), FAN assembly that is removable from the back with two screws, and replaceable fans, protected with the grille on the inside! to prevent cables getting into blades, so that you can replace the whole fan assembly _without powering the unit down or otherwise interrupting its operation. Memory access is on the bottom of the device, protected behind ESD cage. No more removing all drives and injuring wrists. And yes, itā€™s much quieter.

So these fellas cost $800-$900. Given the value comparison, the plastic horsehit shall cost $80-$120 tops. And yet, they sell them for $500-$700. And people pay that. And it blows my mind.

If you already spend $$$ of coins, spend $200 more and get something well made, as opposed to throwing those $$$ into the landfill, to save $200ā€¦

On the topic ā€“ my kids never mess with equipment, but my feline family members did. NAS was on the top shelf, did not matter, they would make a point to climb and eject the disks. One by one. It was apparently great fun. I then started locking the disk with that idiotic key that synology includes. Had no idea that would be an issue :slight_smile:

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And what about them vendor locking to rebranded Toshiba drives, initially on the more expensive units? Even Dell wonā€™t dare to do something like that. Not sure if they backed out from that BS.
Also the software, you are in their hands. Once they will EOL the unit, you are out of luck, as you canā€™t install anything else on these as far as I know.
And the reliability of these is a story on its own from what Iā€™ve seen.

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The biggest scam is the lineup DSj, DS and DS+.
So you want your first NAS. You donā€™t know what you want to do with it, nothing fancy and DSjā€¦ seems like a good option, ā€œcheapā€, all you need for your backups, media server, some containersā€¦ ouh, wait! You baught it and you find out you canā€™t run all the apps, no docker and the responsivness is sh.t? You should put more RAM? Ouh waitā€¦ you canā€™t. You should have baught one extra GB for 100$ more, you cheap weirdouā€¦ cause you knowā€¦ unknown memory brands cost like 100$ per GB ;).
So you replace it with DS. Your pocket screems at you but you made the step. Now you can play 4K movies on your FullHD TV! :partying_face::partying_face::partying_face:
So you heard about Storj? You want to use all that unused space (:smiling_imp:), and make some money, and settle your pocket that still screams at youā€¦ ou wait, the Docker is only reserved for advanced users, users that can pay 200$ more and get a memory slot where you can add an extra super expensive memory DIMM, unbranded ofcourse. You start to realise how you got fooled by the ā€œaffordableā€ and ā€œall you needā€ shiny words. Andā€¦ after going through the entire DS series, trying to get the most out of your hard earned money, you end up with the jewel crown, the PLUS machine! Wow! And the ebay-like local website ends up with a lot of DSj and DS, almost brand new, NASes, and you were wonderingā€¦ why so many models on SH market from these series?
You got to give it to Synology; they perfected the business of selling crap at the highest prices.

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Indeed.

I started with synology out of desire to get a nas that ā€œjust worksā€ so I donā€™t have to report bugs, find workarounds, sit on forums, and becoming an expert on its internals. I did not mind paying extra for that luxury, and synology positioned itself like Apple of NASes ā€“ eye candy, polished, fabulous experience.

I ended up reporting bugs, finding workarounds, sitting on forums, and becoming an expert on its internals.

I did not believe the claims that it will replace Dropbox, GoogleDocs, Photos, and drive existing companies out of business by being awesome at doing all that, but the reality turned out to be much grimmer ā€“ nothing works outside of default settings pretty much. Bug reports were accepted (before they switched to web based support actual engineers would reply via email) but never acted upon. Bugs were everywhere ā€“ from the CloudStation and HyperBackup to networking and static routes persistence.

I accepted that I was duped by this extra free functionality and I should probably use the machine as just NAS. I did not pay for all those free apps, so Iā€™ll pretend they are no there.

But as a NAS it did not work either. Besides the constant samba issue sand NVME timeouts resetting the NAS (which they ā€œfixedā€ by rebranding SSD sticks and lowering throughput artificially to avoid running out of free cells) to glaring security bugs in services like ssh. What?! ā€œsecret passwordā€ was discovered long ago and fixed, but the sftp server behavior was never standard, ā€“ many backup programs have dedicated sections describing workarounds for synology sftp targetsā€¦ which made me think ā€“ how much did they manage to mangle OpenSSH?

So I pulled up their sources, which they had to release back according to the license, and they did, they are on source forge. I open OpenSSH authentication path expecting to see synology changes that they released back to the public, right. But what do I see there?

I see calls into an opaque synology shim layer, sources of which they did not have to and did not release.

Let it sink in: They have patched authentication path in OpenSSH by inserting calls into their proprietary, closed source, shim layer.

Ever heard of TiVo? The term ā€œTivoizationā€? Itā€™s just like that ā€“ but worse.

So, if you expose synology SSH server to the interwebs ā€“ oh well.

They literary used their next door neighbor ADATA sticks, and then switch to another next door neighbor. They literary source the cheapest ram they can find, slap the sticker, and now it costs its weight in gold. And people pay it. Why!!! I sold the 4GB stick it came with on ebay and it paid for 16GB upgrade. They are clearly preying on ignorant, and itā€™s disgusting.

And the plus series ā€“ why DS920+ and DS1619+ are in the same lineup if not to confuse consumers?

I had this exact conversation on Reddit years ago, and a dude replied that he is Synology authorized service provider, and is completely confused by sinology branding of these models. What do you expect from end users?

Yea my 4 synology NASes all ended up there tooā€¦

Yep. They are marketing company. This rebranding business is to cover up their mishaps. The ā€œcache SSDsā€ that they sell at a huge markup ā€” they are cheap TLC SSDs or worse, with throttled throughout and huge overprovisooning, so that when you actually use them as cache, firmware has fewer changes to end up scrambling for free cells in the middle of write, thus avoiding NVME timeout which they still havenā€™t fixed, inspire of debugging in on my personal nas remotely for a month, and asking me to send the SSDs to them to Taiwanā€¦ the outcome of that was ā€“ lets rebrand cheap sticks to workaround our issue while making more money.

The degree of contempt I feel towards this company is immeasurable and indescribable. I feel they personally betrayed my trust and I just wasted time reproducing bugs and reporting them in good faith, foolish me.

Now (5 years ago) I moved to TrueNAS and it has been smooth sailing since. Who knew that Time Machine actually works extremely well if samba is configured correctly and is built from a branch not mangled by a horde of underpaid interns.

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https://wrgms.com/synologys-secret-telnet-password/
This one? I didnā€™t know.
ā€¦ what? They use open source with snipets of closed source? Is it legal?
In this way you can pretty much change the entire code with closed source and just slap an ā€œopen sourceā€ tag on it.

Yeah, I learnt this lesson when I bought a pretty expensive ReadyNAS 4312S (12 drives, dual PSUs, Intel Xeon, SFP+ portsā€¦) and Netgear discontinued the whole ReadyNAS range about a year later.

I now have a decent hardware unit but with a software that has been all but abandoned (core is still running on Debian Jessie) and canā€™t be upgraded without breaking things.
I guess itā€™s good enough to run Storj at the moment but Iā€™m worried how long until the Storj software becomes incompatible with that version of Debian.

Next time Iā€™ll just buy a rack server and install Linux on it.

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The biggest issue we have had so far is trying to use their Cloud Sync App to sync to Backblaze B2. Itā€™s been highly unreliable. In comparison we use rclone to sync our Hypervisors backups to Backblaze and thatā€™s been far more dependable. Other than that we run only one app on the Synology - Domotz for network monitoring. Plus of course we use SMB for backup shares.

The inability to upgrade ram on the lower end units certainly has been a major paint point.

We are in the process of quoting TrueNAS for a high use client. We are quoting iX hardware directly so no ā€œbuild you ownā€ here. I think it is planned to have 200-300TB space available.

Being an Australian client is not helping there though.

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Did you try it with Storj DCS?

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