What’s that first card, with no internal or external connections?
16Gb Optane, on a m2->PCIE adapter board thingy. Slog lives on it.
We are very OT, but if this would be like you say, the network can not scale with increased number of customers. This has to be classic market - Storj needs more resources, pays more or get them elsewhere where it is worth it. Storj does not need so much, pays less. As they did last year.
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only by way of conclusion: Yea we disagree on one crucial thing,
the way how storagenode interferes into server normal work.
I didn’t run the server because of storagenodes as well,
i as well got idea “what else i can do with it, if it runs 24/7 anyways?”, BUT
running a storage node demands changes to my server, like “just” add more RAM, or “just” add a SSD for catch. And not always its possible with current motehrboard, so i changed motherboard… then the CPU was to weak, so i changed CPU for better, etc.
That’s one part. 2nd part is how storagenode interferes with original server purpose.
Is —>
so valuable to add a storagenode to Your perfectly working home server setup, for no payment at all, just because it serves the world revolutionary service and potentially can change the world?
if You got nothing but potential problems from it?
You want YOUR stuff to be working fine in first place.
And storagenode potentially interferences with it, with its demands (for CPU power, for RAM, for general machine use, it occupies CPU line’s, it occupies RAM, its additional point of failure, it can potentially crash Your machine, or hung it, or consume burst amount of CPU % and hung Your processes. Because You didn’t do an optimal filesystem for storagenode, because You cant, because You have YOUR own architecture on the server that fits YOUR needs the best, and storagenod is just an addition, an addition that actually does not help as much with the additional pay as much, as it brings risks and demands to casual host works. (need to bring whole 16TB disk to get $20/month)
its very convenient to think the way like You explained it, for the STORJ INC. because they obviously want to pay as less costs as possible, but business practice shows, that’s not optimal approach if You want expansion and market domination. You need highly motivated and religiously loyal partners. Yes You can achieve that by not paying at all, they will run nodes because of the values just like You mentioned. That would be spot on, IF NOT that in terms of storagenode it always means sponsorship, because how much storagenode exploits the HDD,
it basically runs it up to death. So say You had 16TB disk, You used occasionally, even half full, just for cold storage, it just sits peacefully. Now when You give it a go for STORJ, You run with time if it gonna pay You its value back, for You to be able to buy another disk, if it dies, or You gonna add from Your pocket when need for replace will come.
So this is tricky, either You are experienced to know it from the start and know what You are up to, or You will find out. And either will be lucky to be able to get net+ form storj for the next HDD, or not. There’s nothing wrong in doing this, for the adventure, for the computer science, but if You are unaware of real costs, and kinda hop in, not sure it brings benefits to You, sure it brings to STORJ inc… thats why all the vocals here and behind the strike was upset i guess, they found out its not entirely balanced in terms of fairness.
So You can have it like that, do not pay, or pay nor much, and get very much true believers, donators, sponsor nodes + acid radical (acid residue) of those who wasn’t aware, and got net minus in result (the ones who will be angry and do a negative marketing, accusations)
OR
You could actually pay good, and get that true believers even more happy, + neutralize the potential acid ones, so they not only can aford next HDDs for sure, not just gambling “if i will be able to”, but also can add more HDDs to the setup to expand the network. Well it doesn’t make sense, because storj does not grow in customers so fast, it would need to lower prices as well, for the way it to make sense. But if in the future, it suddenly start growing, then, this approach would be handy, to meet the network growth demands. or they will just kill public SNOs, and transite to SELECT and don’t have to pay much, and the unlimited disk space will be available around the world. And the corpo customers! SELECT seems like big win-win for STORJ. Just the idea of public decentralization in homes dies.too bad.
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A direct take (explicitly) on @Th3Van.
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It’s supposed to say “Sun Microsystems” and it’s supposed to be PURPLE! 
(I’ll never forgive you Larry Ellison 
)
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You know, SV (Silicon Valley). :- ) P.S. Anyway, w.r.t. silicon, its a bit pity that storj does not run on SPARC. :- )
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This reaction took place after 24 minutes, so 23 minutes later than I expected 
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To be fair I already had the 2x8TB drives so some of this was “use what you have”. The 2x16TB second hand drives of which one had 126H of runtime and the other had 5H were good value given size and class of drive. I was using USB docks which I had but wanted a nicer enclosure so I picked this up this 4 bay, again used.
I had debated using some 4TB drives I had on the shelf but rather sent those to another Storjling for their “run what you got” build. Perhaps this offsets a bit of the “run what you got” energy as a fellow Storjling is building two nodes with $0 cost hardware.
Not intending for this to be advice about how or what for others to run rather to share my build.
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And he got crushed, for the joke, just half an hour later…i love it (the build too).
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Is this connected via USB or esata? How is iowait/CPU load?
Connected via USB. The 8Tb disks are SMR (I know) and are nearly full so iowait is quite bad. The newer 16TB CMR disks that are working much better. @littleskunk advised I move the databases to a SSD (old one I had in parts bin), this improved performance due to the IO limits of those SMR disks. I’m curious what the IO load looks like after those 8TB drives fill up in a few weeks.
mmcblk0 High Endurance SD Card
sda is SSD with databases and swap
sdb 16TB CMR
sdc 16TB CMR
sdd 8TB SMR (nearly full)
sde 8TB SMR (nearly full)
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Two years later and my rigs are still running strong with only one drive replacement in that time.
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You’ve been lucky, congrats! Have you managed to fill everything in those two years: or are you still growing?
Nice setup! Cand you show some links for the components, or the model/brand?
I mean for the USB SATA hub, SATA power addapter, power switch.
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On my oldest nodes ~4TB give or take after all this time. I can’t say whether that it fast or slow, I’m just using my home Internet connection.
@snorkel I would not advise using USB3 if I was starting from scratch. I’m hoping I can eventually upgrade to SATA, maybe with raspberry pi 5 and some pci-e to SATA board or some used computer chassis.
Check this:
https://www.axagon.eu/en/produkty/pces-sa6
Some would say its bottlenecked, or an old sas controler would be better(with cable for sata compatibility.) I think its fine for like 3 or 4 drives.
I would not use it for high performance SSD array (and if you are building a high performance SSD array you are definitely not using sata) but for HDDs this is appropriately sizeed.
PCE gen 3 lane is 985 MB/s, this one has two. Each disk therefore gets about 330MBps of bandwidth available. Hard drives can’t pump data faster anyway.
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