This is only mean that your databases are not updated. If you didn’t disable the scan on start, then you may restart the node and the used-space-filewalker should update databases, if it would be finished successfully for all trusted satellites. I guess v1.104.5? Then I would suggest to wait for a new version, there at least an update databases on trash changes should be fixed and you wouldn’t require the used-space-filewalker to be enabled to have an accurate numbers on a piechart on the dashboard.
The FW is disabled since last moth when I deleted all db and run it once, but there are pieces in trash, not just on the dashboard, and the reported space on dashboard corresponds to DSM report.
Thank you for your feedback on my work.
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Hm. I do not think that you would have correct numbers on your dashboard in that case, especially after deletion of databases. They would have only the current increment/decrement updates (if they are were not locked during the way…). And likely incorrect amount for the trash until the next version.
It’s not a sport, I just need to summarize the feedback and pass it to the team, then hopefully pass the response or convince the team members to answer directly. It’s usually much more helpful.
However, not all ideas and suggestions have a response, but usually that means that either the suggestion was not so helpful, or can be considered later because of complications and required resources to solve/implement it. The backlog is big and the team is relatively small, so they forced to prioritize issues.
I usually provide a feedback if I have any, as fast as possible. But something can be missed in the cracks during the way. Thanks to @jammerdan I would not miss them to ping the team 
No, I do not. I’m sorry, I only learning languages, but have almost no experience in “small talks” and some context specific phrases or sayings. I need to live in the environment to catch that too
I said that I understand most of European Languages. I never said that I can speak too. Writing - yes, I can. However, it’s not the same as speak. I do not always can express myself speaking even on languages where I feel that I know enough. You may see it weird… but to speak you need an auditory, right? People, who can help and fix issues… right? Europe is closed for me for an unknown time to practice…
Yes, I found it funny, however, I do not want to do it with you, because you can take it as an attack. And I’m sorry, if you got my answers as attacks - I never want to.
But sometimes I feel that your sentences are too focused on some points, which usually unrelated to the product at all and thus they looks like attacks on the company… I do like to work in Storj (no jokes), because I never have had so great team for the last 25 years in IT. And perhaps I sometimes take it too personally because of that…
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Eh, many of the recent changes were suggested earlier in the forum, I’ve collected some discussions here. It’s not proper to say the feedback is not heard.
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Could you please try this script?
Hi. not sure if that already been said, altho read half of the thread and got some clarity. May i just write then, i too think all should start from a customer perspective yes.
Yes he should not pay for files that he deletes, JUST from the moment they are really deleted.
So if customer clicks “delete”, that takes effect after some X days. (X days for satellite to process and inform nodes, and 7 days for nodes to keep it)
You can think of it as taking a turn by a 400m long container ship, it does not responds right away, needs some time. Even some cars don’t respond instantly.
Soo yes technically its not fair for SNOs to keep someones trash unpaid, if they don’t want to, and making them pay instead (in occupied space, or potentially lost revenue due to that).
And Yes customers should pay only for what they wish to keep, just make it clear: files will be deleted after X days from the “click”. Also You can provide an opportunity to a customer on deleting, to avoid that, and delete with immediate effect on his own responsibility, and Storj won’t be able to restore it. Then that immediately effect is up to You, If You can make satellites to order nodes instantly, or there is some unavoidable time needed, in such case, You offer customer not instant effect but a shortest time to whats technically possible, to save his money.
Probably all who will face deleting, and such communicate will want to go that way.
But the mechanism should still fulfill it’s role, to keep files 7 days by default, just in case, unless otherwise disposed. So everyone should be satisfied.
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LOL! I even was the first responder in that topic. I bookmarked it now. Thanks!
I will try with +1 and +2.
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complements your idea, if storj is afraid of someone deleting the files, then add 2fa when deleting and that’s it
as an operator, I am responsible for my node, accordingly, the client is responsible for his account (2fa) and that’s it
stoj not afraid if client delete something, it is client problem, storj afraid to delete something accidently by some bag in the code. because as a client, you dont want loss of your data, because someone made bug. So it is safety mechanism, to not kill reputation of provider by loosing data.
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Fair enough, but why should SNO pay for it?
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They don’t.
The data was originally live (for it to even be something that could become trash) AND THE SNO WAS PAID FOR IT. That it can take awhile to delete is just part of the normal operation of the node that a SNO accepts. At best you could argue you got paid less than you’d like (because it was on your disk longer than the $1.50/TB/m rate covered). But you can’t say you weren’t paid at all.
I’m OK with the rate, and that some housekeeping tasks aren’t immediate. But I also understand where the urge to question every penny can come from.
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They shouldn’t, and it’s a nonsense we’re struggling to get it fixed.
This makes no sense. It’s like when your employer makes you work over weekends and pays nothing extra. The contract with Storj is payment per TB stored but you get paid less than you stored. I’m surprised to see someone still managing to argue with totally obvious things.
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That we’re not getting paid for trash has been obvious for years. That over 22000 nodes are being run by SNOs who accepted trash being unpaid is obvious today. But, yes, things can change.
That some SNOs wish they were paid for trash… is understandable. I mean… I wish @Bryanm would send me a signed photo, and who could blame me: it’s totally understandable 
. Many wishes are reasonable… and understandable… and it’s still not at all obvious they should be granted.
I understand a small but vocal minority of SNOs here wish Storj would deal with the extra complexity of paid trash… to earn a few more coins from a few more bytes for a few more days. If I was involved with the management of Storj… I’d ignore that minority 
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I’m sure you would I’ve read about your ignoring before.
However here’s the thing: humanity ran into such issues long before Storj did and invented such a thing, not just a thing but a whole industry named “insurance”. Even courier services not to mention air lines give you a choice – either pay small amount and be compensated in a rare case of something going wrong. Why can’t Storj implement a solution invented long ago instead of making SNOs pay for that insurance?
You’re absolutely right: humanity has had this figured out for a long time. You don’t even have to look at the nuances of the insurance system: just the basic idea of of paying for goods and services. SNOs are getting paid, every month, like clockwork. They’ve accepted a variety of burdens for that payment… and for years now: that burden has included the housekeeping of trash.
SNOs are being compensated for 100% of the services they provide today. This is only a discussion about being compensated more. Fair enough. I don’t think they need to be paid any more.
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That’s simply not true. For many reasons. And here’s one reason more: SNO “Jim” has plenty of free disk space (for whatever reason) and SNO “Jane” is at capacity. For Jim trash collection lasting for a month doesn’t cause ingress to stop but Jane has to sit with no ingress for a month. If 2 SNOs get paid differently depending on the free space they have then something is wrong with the billing system.
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