I don’t remember, how many copies were sent to the nodes?
I refer to the information from storjstats.
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Zero. There are no copies. Each node holds a unique erasure-encoded shard.
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I mean that if, for example, 1000 nodes lose connection and the necessary data is only distributed among those 1000 nodes it should appear in storjstats, right?
If the magic number is that, 39, the nodes have “the same” information but encrypted differently or something like that, if those 39 were not available the client would not have access to his file, no?
Correct.
So the question becomes how likely is it that out of the 80+ pieces shared around the planet you would not be able to recover any 29 (edit: not 39) of them.
And compare that to the likelihood of a big cloud provider to loose 2 or 3 of its data centers at once when using duplication.
80 shards are stored and 29 are required to reconstruct the data. If you calculate the probability of all 80 independent and uncorrelated (!) nodes disappearing (read the whitepaper, the calculation is there) you’ll see it is negligible, providing just as good or better data durability compared to other cloud storage providers.
This is only true if nodes are uncorrelated. That’s why people who use VPN to workaround /24 restrictions are shooting themselves and the network in the foot. Some degree of such cheating is tolerable of course, but operators caught in engaging in this nonsense shall be persecuted and punished nevertheless.
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So with 52 of the 80 nodes that have the part distributed, it will not be possible to recover it completely since 29 are needed and there are 28 available, right?
Yes. I strongly recommend reading the chapter “3.4 Redundancy” in the linked paper.
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As you say, it’s a shot in the foot for the operators but, with the latest news that the big customer we were all waiting for is finally going to the StorJ Select network and not to the public network, what happen if many of the big operators will suddenly decide to leave the project?
I dont know how many nodes are managed by this big actors, I only can see my numbers
There are many operators angry with the continuous price drops, massive deletions, test traffic and now they are not going to see the results that were promised.
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I don’t think so. Long time and/or large operators (and you can’t be large unless you have stayed long time) that understand the project are in for the long run. Flukes like the events you described, where wild anticipations did not materialize, have no bearing on their incentives in staying in network. All the reasons they have joined and remain committed are still there.
Not many. There are a few very vocal ones. I, FWIW, always advocate for further payout drop, to avoid attracting get-rich-quick operators that can “get angry and slam the door”.
There were no promises made of any kind. Storj shared guidance and gave us heads up, but not promises.
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I think you are too optimistic
I have been in StorJ for several years and I have seen how my income has gone down a lot, more than the storage I have available for storj, right now I have less than 1/3 of my available storage occupied.
So much so that if everything had continued as normal I should be receiving approximately 3 times more than what I am earning right now.
If you think that these announcements don’t piss people off and that many will leave is that you don’t see the reality.
If you have been here for several years, then you shall more than anyone understand that the original payout rates were vastly unsustainable and served the purpose of jumpstarting the network. Do you really think paying you $10/TB when customer pays $4/TB is a good long term plan?
What’s “normal”?
Normal is when storj pays less than what woudl it cost them to rent storage in a datacenter. That’s normal.
I disagree. If you became SNO to make money - you might as well cut the losses and leave now. Storj is not to take your kids through college. It’s to offset costs of running existing hardware by putting unused resources to good use. Therefore anything that storj pays is 100% profit. You can’t complain that you get too little free money.
(If storj stopped paying today I’ll still continue running nodes. Why would I not? Disks are already spinning, CPUs are already running, why should I waste away perfectly good resources when I can donate them instead to someone who can put them to good use?)
Now, if the payout is high enough to incietifice buying new hardware – that’ bad, because this attracts SNOs that buy hardware to make profit on a slight overhead, and leave when this sight overhead tilts the other way. We don’t want such operators. Hence, payout shall make this behavior financially unprofitable.
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I don’t know why people tend to always defend storj, I think you are on salary participating in the forums.
Storj if you want to have a community what you have to do is love it, not laugh at them frequently.
the disks, the power and the raspberrypis also cost money, and above all the patience they have in keeping the nodes running…
i think there will come a point where with this behavior that storj people have with the community they will get tired and simply shut down the nodes without caring the least about what they have invested.
people pissed off don’t care about the money.
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This ain’t an union job.
If you don’t like the payouts then don’t participate, but do not try to jeopardise this operation for everyone else.
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This tells me you have no idea what you are talking about.
Please read the above discussion, you are making claims that have been already addressed.
I bothered to understand the project. Of course you can assume that anything that contradicts your ignorant point of view must be a conspiracy — but this is not a productive use of anyone’s time. All information is available, you just need to process it critically.
And lastly — if you don’t like the terms — don’t participate in the network. I’m not sure what are you trying to accomplish here.
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another one who works for storj
Really?
you talk like a good samaritan that you do good for storj…
The resources are plentiful and where they are best is in storj, of course.
Hi @agapitox ,
All Storj employees have the Storj logo next to their Forum avatars.
This means that if someone does not have the Storj logo next to their Forum avatar, they are not a Storj employee.
Hope this clears up any confusion!
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If you have better use for those resources — why are you here?! Use them for that other project.
I don’t. It’s either wasted or I donate them to storj that can make use of them. But wait! It also pays me! Amazing! Storj helps me to pay for electricity for my server. What is there to complain about?
See the big picture?
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