I don’t see a contradiction here. Let’s break it down point by point, and you tell me where you see a contradiction:
I argue that you’re currently on the brink of SNO profitability.
I argue that simply lowering tariffs NOW (attention!) without delay, without any assistance for SNO, will cause an uncontrollable outflow of SNOs, which could harm you (for the particularly nervous, this isn’t a threat, but a suggestion).
I propose a point where you can help us, SNOs, at no cost to you. For roughly the same amount you’re asking for a cut.
The KEY point of this scheme is FREE, FOR BOTH OF US. You’ll get your savings, and we won’t see a drop in profitability. We’ll have no reason to leave.
It does have the potential for problems—an explosive growth in the number of nodes. Commentators like Roxor are absolutely right about this. I’m offering a simple, TEMPORARY, anti-crisis solution that won’t create an urgent and critical task for your programmers (whom you’re already short of) that could break everything if done incorrectly.
Yes, I agree that this isn’t an ideal solution, and I’m not offering it for the long term. You’re asking for support in this difficult time; I’m offering you a fair and mutually beneficial option to reduce your costs without disrupting our work.
I’ll repeat again, for the last time, and I told Alexey before: “new” nodes aren’t new SNOs; they’re us, our new nodes. You’re mistaken if you think the growth in the total number of nodes means “new members of your network connecting from their little free devices.” That’s simply not true. The reason for the increase in node numbers, as I and the other participants in the discussion argue, is that abolishing /24 without any restrictions will INSTEAD lead to an increase in node numbers. This is true. It’s just that any such replacement measure that impacts existing node registrations is dangerous for the network and difficult to implement. Banning new node registrations simply locks in the current system, with no risk at all. Am I seriously mistaken? Do you really need a simple, risk-free solution now?
I clearly stated that after the crisis passes, it would be fair and logical to reopen the registration process. Without the “we have a court hearing tomorrow, we might go bankrupt” scenario. We should calmly and thoughtfully discuss the best approach and calmly add it all to the code.
In summary: please read this entire article carefully. No one is giving you any ultimatums. We are simply asking you to save YOUR money, not at our expense, but at the expense of address providers, who are completely unnecessary in this system. Nothing more. Thank you for your attention.
what will stop you doing today backup new 200-300 nodest, to make get you HDDs fill up even faster after network will be close and /24 rule will be gone.?
At this point I will even dont trust to my self.
Common sense and resources. We already have enough nodes due to the previous rules.
It makes more sense for management to close the gates right now. I deliberately put this in the first point, in case you didn’t notice. The order is important: 1. Disable registration. 2. Disable /24. 3. Reduce rates only at this stage. Especially since the public statistics on the number of nodes are all visible, and today there are 946 nodes down.
As today node dont need to be signed by storj close registration is little bit hard, this mean that all not signed nodes will go down as most of yours.
I haven’t read this thread in detail, but at a glance, it seems quite reasonable and sound. If we get through the severe crisis right now, I’d be happy to discuss this idea in more detail. We’ve long proposed not focusing solely on large corporate clients, but on something more accessible. The “potato node” idea, as it’s called here, would work much better as a service rather than as a way to “earn $1 a month.” Something like torrents: you share your 1 TB, and the service gives you 500 GB of high-speed cloud storage, accessible even from your phone. If you want more, pay. That’s how it would make money from “enthusiasts,” not the current scheme with complex setup, whitelisted addresses, and crypto.
But in this case, we’re primarily talking about the main satellites and the immediate financial issue. If, as I understand it, you’re also a member of the current team (or connected to them), please help us, and we’ll help you. We are all on Storj’s side, it’s just that not everyone is listening to each other.
P.S. Sorry, I confused you with @kaloyan due to my quick reading of that thread, but the gist of the message doesn’t change at all.
See thats the conflict here. We have 2 groups of SNO. One group that has offered and even higher payout reduction. And they have done that in a way that leaves no room for interpretation. They did that silently in private messages with nothing to gain. The strongest supports we can hope for. I am not going to stop that group from spinning up more nodes when needed. That is the kind of SNO that are the backbone for this network. Hell I am even thinking about matching their offer. I will have to do the math for my own nodes to see if I can effort that.
And the second group of SNO… Lets say they are “suggesting” that they are going to leave so many times that this suggesting is losing its weight. The problem with the “I leave” ultimatum is that the moment it is spoken out loud negotiates will continue elsewere. You want to leave. Ok thats fine. I will try my best to come up with a moderate payout reduction that might still work for you but otherwise with that ultimatum in the background there is no point in further disucssions.
I don’t even know how to respond to this… People have 2 TB nodes (not HDDs!) because: 1) they didn’t start in 2019; and 2) not all SNOs live right next to EU or US satellites. Do you even realize that you get significantly more ingress simply by living closer to the satellites? Other people CAN’T get the amount of ingress you do, so they are forced to optimize their setups by running multiple nodes on a single large HDD using multiple IPs. If they didn’t do this, the entire network’s data would end up centralized in a few Western countries. If that’s Storj’s actual goal, then fine — the team should just say it plainly to the SNOs, and I will personally trigger a GE and walk away from this project.
Perhaps you should discuss this with Alexey, who until this conversation thought we didn’t exist. Please consider this: if, say, 100 SNOs wrote you a private message, and each of them holds 10TB, that’s 1PB. I have more than 1PB, just me. Please, I beg you once again, READ. If 100 users with 10TB each tell you, “We agree to everything,” then ONE user with 1PB will balance them out. And I’m not alone. Do you need “likes” or terabytes? What are you selling? And again, no one is threatening you, we’re simply asking you to think, to listen… Why is it so difficult, oh my god…
Now we know why usual SNOs cant get traffic, because some group of people made from Chia setup, storj setup with lots of /24 ips to fillup fast. Because to fillup PB of data takes lot of time for all normal SNOs
I am 7 years in project and have only around 400 tb of data.
now I understand why you have big expenses, lot of ips is not cheap, and if /24 will be gone it will be a parodies, as you will get most of network traffic.
Close to the S3 gateway. People are using “satellite” as a catch-all term - meaning the infrastructure operated by Storj.
Since almost nobody uses native, being close to a gateway is an advantage. And a significant one. Just as you have an advantage if your nodes are in NA instead of EMEA.
As they intense that they all over the world, and at same time fare from data source. It not caching with words, that they are not long time here and have PBs of data.
This isn’t socialism where everyone must be equal. And the average SNO doesn’t have 400 TBs of data .
You can make the same investment (money, experience and time-wise) and compete with them. Although it will be harder now that a 20 TB drive costs €1000.
I think no one will have the problem if they would do their setup according to manual or near it. But it done completely against the manual.
Now they complain that their setup will not survive if it forced to work acording to manual.
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