Customers, customers, customers

It was Storjlabs who chose to use the term 'customer, customer, customers" in their presentation as title for their Q3 and Q4 activities.
Now I was asking how is this part going. And the answer is silence. Tell us something about the progress if there is any.

But you could always fork it and run it on your own, couldn`t you?
I would like to see this ran by Storjlabs as Tardigradesend to showcase the ability of the platform.

We are operating the linksharing service which serves the similar purpose. Storj Labs as company does not intend to operate services from other projects.

There is definitely progress! Not everything directly ends up with customers rather than also improving their UI/UX on the platform.
I am not sure how much I can share, but there is something in the world that makes the usability much, much better or easier.

still only 6 months since tardigrade went live… large migrations of people and corporations will take a while, it’s also understandable that most customers might not be interested in storj’s PR or is worth talking about… if tardigrade was trendy all of them would be advertising and flocking to it…

but it’s new… from there perspective limited tested…
i think stuff like filezilla might be a very good sign of what’s to come… it’s been a widely used for data transfer for decades now…

also there are tons of other cloud providers, so to really breakthrough there will need to be a certain advantage to utilizing tardigrade… something which might be difficult to find for most avg customers.

and storj can only do so much, they are a company, really in theory the most powerful part of this project might just be all the SNO’s, if we put our collective minds to it, i’m sure we could invent a near sure fire way to make tardigrade hugely utilized… ofc that brings the question of how ready is tardigrade and how ready is storj for if we were to do such a thing…

somethings gradual progress is much better than spectacular rises that really are spectacular failures, because when public opinion turns against something… then it’s very difficult to change it again.

also difficult to give out data that essentially will end up being bad PR, no corporation wants to do that.

right now we are 6 months in, this is about the time i would expect enterprise customers with interest, would have finished their first initial testing and would begin to get ready for moving over non critical infrastructure and such…

this is not a blockbuster movie… this is a basically new way of utilizing existing technology, and thus adoption will be slow, until people figure out there is something to be gained from moving to tardigrade…

save people money or time or give them features they can gain some sort of useful benefit from and there will be more customers than the network would know what to do with.

so tho i kinda want to agree with @jammerdan i cannot aside from it would be nice to some limit capacity and easy to overview get some more insight into what customers are saying… if there has been found any use cases where storj just blows everything else out of the water, how the network is behaving… and if customers seem to agree on that…

whats the max data transfer we can do… i mean how much bandwidth can we deliver … could we saturate a google data center… i mean lots of interesting novel things could be done which would be essentially testing but also could be some interesting PR stunts…

i mean we got like 6000 nodes… could we do a terabit a second… i bet we could get close
in theory

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So well put. Lovely. :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

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Well some questions could be:

Has anyone ever reached out to NASA?

Did Filezilla integration bring new customers?

Has there been talks with the Internet Archive to help data storage?

Are you looking out for new potential customers?

Have you made research on the cctv market?

Have you been able intensify actions to reach out to Folding@home?

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Let’s be a little fair though, I know of no company that does customer acquisition out in public and most things probably won’t pan out. It’s not really helpful (or even possible) to publish all leads. Not in the least because you’ll be notifying competition or the current service provider of that potential customer that you’re trying to win them over.

I don’t think the level of transparency you’re asking for is realistic.

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Rest assured, there are many ways to answer such questions without revealing too much.

I don’t exactly see yet what this could mean for Tardigrade and the SNOs but I hope for the best:

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i would say anytime one is associated even indirectly with berkshire hathaway in relation to business, is good if not great…

Not sure about the videocoin thing, talked about a lot of difficult to understand details imo, but i suppose thats pretty common in the crypto industry… sure seems that way to me… tho they sort of got their point across…

seemed a bit like they wanted to make everything sound more amazing than it is, i mean how groundbreaking is it to pay people in fiat and do accounting in fiat… when using crypto…ofc then crypto ends up just being a public ledger… OH WAIT A MINUTE…
xD

i don’t really see how it’s a strong selling point, because most others can just press a few buttons and do the same thing…

but that being said, videocoin sounded cool, made sense… atleast what i could really follow of it.
would have to try and figure out what this means, but after a second viewing…

if this works then i think … 3rd viewing

what the hell is video on the blockchain… thats what they say they are innovating…
but what exactly is that really…

they make it all sound great tho… i just don’t really understand or know what it is they are innovating…

so after a bit of digging, it seems like they do video processing … or they don’t they are like the storj of video processing, selling cpu time in the exact same way storj sells disk time…

maybe thats a good idea… i duno… seems they would have to compete with everybody selling general cpu processing… but i guess its easier to specialize… and since video is such a big part of the internet… maybe they are right…

Something like that. But what they need Tardigrade for?

i think that connects pretty well because the basic idea of their system is that to save internet bandwidth resources you process the video close to the customer.

there are many different types of video encoding, so you take the raw video and convert it into the stream required and then broadcasts that to whoever needs it.

if we imaging a 1000 users opening a video in the same nation, it makes sense to move the raw video to that nation, and then use local processing resources to create the video streams, instead of trying to send the 1000 video streams across national boarders…

something in that regard, which fits pretty much into just how tardigrade works… so why develop a system, if one can use tardigrade which is basically turn key from their perspective.

sounds good the more i dig into it and start to understand it.
berkshire hathaway is a big name in business, basically a business cult lol
deifying what’s his face, that guy that doesn’t have a computer in his office…
oh the irony right… warren buffet

thats his company, sure it’s on a news site owned by his company, but still certain not a bad position…

tho one thing that i find confusing is that they got like 440 subscribers on their youtube channel, but been posting stuff for years…

so not sure how much traction it has… but the idea sounds interesting… duno how much of a problem they are really solving… or trying to solve…

i mean if they were already innovating video processing on the internet one should think they had more than 440 subscribers… being an industry leader / innovator and such

i mean if it worked they would most likely instantly have like 500000 subs just from interested parties that want to be part of the first wave of new tech

I just don’t understand what will be stored on Tardigrade and by whom.
Is it just an additional option for content creators where to store videos instead of maybe their local hard disks? Or is it some mandatory storage that is required for processing? Will the raw videos be stored on Tardigrade or the processed ones?

i don’t think the processed video is stored… its streamed, basically live data and decoded / encoded on demand and then buffered on the receiving side.

i would think a network such as this would load balance… duno if tardigrade does that tho… but it really should… so if one region does massive downloading of one file, then it will be move so its more easily accessible in that region.

in the case of videocoin i think it would be the raw video that would be stored on storj… depending on where the processing nodes are and traffic…

if we take the 1000 viewers example again…

the raw video is located somewhere which is sort of irrelevant for this… but lets say the northpole, and is online via starlink giving it like 100mbit… if 1000 people was going to stream that from the northpole they would each get 0.1mbit and all the processing of the file would happen on the northpole…

the idea with videocoin and storj i think is that instead the file when requested once or a few times, will be transferred to the region of the world where people want to view it… so the raw file goes from the northpole to approximately new york lets say… on the storj network and then videocoin video processing nodes download the file 1000 times in a basically big lan / wan type enviornment (locally)
processes the video and then streams it to the 1000 users

okay maybe it doesn’t exactly work like that… would be very in efficient to download the file 1000 times then to stream it to 1000 people…
you get the idea…

it’s to save the 100mbit connection from being overloaded and thus giving 0.1mbit to everyone

so the video data is essentially live flowing between the points where its needed and being processed and streamed locally, so only the raw file needs to move across the 100mbit limited connection once.

so storj would host the raw file and it would load balance around the world depending on how its needed… something like that

i’m sure there are years worth of nuances to it, that i have no clue about, but in short its about saving internet highway bandwidth, utilizing unused processing online…

so yeah, this could be grand for storj… or it could be nothing… all really depends on if videocoin actually solves a real problem in a affordable way.
but it sure might have potential…i don’t really feel qualified to make any prediction about it tho… i don’t have enough details yet… maybe later

i think videocoin does content processing… its basically like a virtual datacenter is the idea… for video processing…
i got no clue about how they make money … i mean i suppose google sells people data and spam’s ad’s
one example the spokesman of videocoin seems to make is that netflix runs on amazon AWS or whatever it’s called…

thats his kind of customers or something… i duno
i suppose the raw video would be stored atleast temporarily or even permanently on the storj network and then ofc for short periods at videocoin processing nodes…

This is literally in the article:

Tardigrade can provide both long-term, reliable storage for transcoded assets and serve as origin servers for customers’ preferred CDN providers.

That seems pretty clear to me. Transcoded assets are stored on Tardigrade and then picked up by the customer preferred CDN. As a SNO I would of course love to see Tardigrade also being one of those CDN options, but I don’t think the network is ready for that yet. I expect this could lead to possibly high storage usage, but limited egress because the CDN will take care of delivering the video to the consumer. Though I guess everything would be downloaded at least once.

yeah, that was quite a lot of ā€œbullshit bingoā€ in that video :wink:

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It is a bit clearer now indeed. But who stores it? Each content creator on his own/personal Tardigrade account or the Vidcoin network as a whole? I believe this would make a huge difference in Tardigrade utilization.

I took it as it’s where vidcoin would store the transcoding result and the customer takes over control at the CDN step. But that part wasn’t entirely clear indeed.

The easiest way would be one big Vidcoin account. Otherwise they would have to deal with encryption passwords and maybe expired accounts and something like that.

Would love to see Tardigrade take a CDN like approach as well.