SNO Payment mega-FAQ

SNO Payment mega-FAQ

What is Storj?

We explain a lot more over on our website, but Storj is basically AirBnb for hard drives. Some people have free hard drive space (you?), and some people need hard drive space to store their data. Storj connects people who have space (storage node operators, or SNOs), with people who will pay to store data. Data is stored on the Storj network.

How do I get paid as a storage node operator?

Certain peers (called Satellites) on the Storj network manage details of how data is stored, such as which storage nodes are storing what specific data and how much storage node operators should be paid for providing hard drive space. Based on this information, storage node operators are compensated for the bandwidth and capacity they provide to the network through payment in STORJ token, which is an ERC20 token that runs on the Ethereum blockchain.

When a storage node operator configures their node software, they are asked to provide a destination address on the Ethereum network for these ERC20 STORJ token transfers. Storage node operators then get paid on a monthly basis for providing storage and bandwidth to the network by receiving STORJ tokens at that address. The address can be a privately held wallet, an exchange address, or any contract.

When configuring the address, the storage node operator can choose the distribution mechanism. The default is plain Ethereum ERC20 transfers, but a storage node operator can also choose layer 2 transactions on zkSync Era. For storage node operators who choose zkSync Era, we add a 3% bonus.

How much can I earn?

How much you earn is based not only on the resources you have, but what resources the Storj network uses. Our current prices are listed here, and you can find more about what this means in practice in our knowledge base.

What can I do with the STORJ token?

You can use the STORJ you earn to purchase storage space and egress on the Storj network, or you can trade STORJ on a number of public exchanges for other digital assets or funds paid out in fiat.

If you pay for storage space and egress on the Storj network with STORJ, you get a 10% discount.

When do payments happen?

Payments happen monthly. Weā€™re committed to getting payments for the prior month out between the 3rd and 15th of the subsequent month. Our systems run monthly reports at fairly regular times for accounting and invoicing purposes.

What is the minimum payout threshold?

Even though our whitepaper suggests that storage node operators will be responsible for payment and withdrawal fees, for this phase of our growth, Storj has been paying transaction fees for sending funds to storage node operators.

Unfortunately, due to the growing pains of the Ethereum ecosystem, fees on Ethereum (our chosen blockchain) can sometimes be significantly higher than the amount the storage node operator has earned. As a result, we will not pay out until youā€™ve earned enough so that the transaction fees are less than 25% of your earnings (though this could change to 10% soon).

For storage node operators who havenā€™t earned enough to clear this threshold for their chosen payment layer (zkSync Era or layer 1), we keep track of what you earned and you accrue it over time. Once the total accrued makes it over the minimum payout threshold, we send the balance to you.

As an example, if the transaction fee is $25, you will need to have earned $100 or more to receive a payout. Otherwise, payout will be postponed until either your total outstanding earnings reach $100, or transaction fees drop below 25% of what you earned in a subsequent payment cycle.

What is the undistributed payout?

An undistributed payout is the amount we have calculated you have earned and what we would send the next payout cycle if fees were a nonissue. If you have an undistributed payout, it means you either need to earn more to clear the minimum payout threshold, need to wait until fees naturally drop, or switch to another less expensive payout mechanism (zkSync Era).

Why are fees so high?

This is a good question that deserves a longer answer for Ethereum in general, but suffice it to say the Ethereum network is going through growing and scaling pains. Ethereum is the most popular smart-contract blockchain in the world, and many applications are trying to use it simultaneously.

Ethereum is trying to solve these scaling problems in a number of ways, but the developers of Ethereum expect that layer 2 solutions (like zkRollups provided by zkSync Era) will be the future of scalability for Ethereum.

Why is Storj working with zkSync?

zkSync was the first Ethereum layer 2 payment solution that we have successfully integrated to enable us to both reduce the impact of high Ethereum transaction fees and pay transaction fees using STORJ tokens. zkSync is making great progress and layer 2 solutions are the future of the ecosystem. We prefer to pay storage node operators using STORJ token but also prefer to pay transaction fees in STORJ token as well. zkSync allows for this.

Why does Storj prefer to pay in STORJ token instead of Ether?

If a Satellite operator receives funds from users in STORJ, it is most convenient to be able to pay storage nodes in STORJ directly as well. Satellites are not in the position and do not have the capability to exchange tokens for other tokens; they need an exchange for this. Using just STORJ tokens for payment to SNOs and usage of the networks removes the steps of exchanging tokens for other value.

How do I opt in to zkSync Era?

Read the documentation to configure zkSync Era. If you have more questions ask us here in the forum. As noted above, we offer a 3% bonus to people who select zkSync Era.

What can I do with STORJ tokens on zkSync Era?

Right now you can withdraw from zkSync at your discretion back to layer 1 or you trade on a growing number of exchanges (both centralized and decentralized)

In addition to the existing ability to pay for usage on the Storj network with STORJ on layer 1, we also support paying for the Storj network through zkSync Era STORJ transfers.

What are the downsides of using zkSync?

The main downside of zkSync is that it requires a relatively expensive Ethereum layer 1 transaction fee at the time tokens are withdrawn or sent back to layer 1. Several exchanges (such as OKEx and Binance) have announced support for zkSync which allows node operators to avoid these high costs.

Why doesnā€™t STORJ use another blockchain? (wrapped tokens)

Ultimately, we believe rollups on Ethereum to be the future of smart contracts and we are trying to ā€œskate to where the puck is heading,ā€ as it were.

That said, it is reasonable to ask if there is another technology or approach we could be using instead of Ethereum or rollups on Ethereum.

One popular suggestion is to wrap STORJ tokens through a bridge and actually use another blockchain for the transactions. Itā€™s worth pointing out that this has some of the same problems as zkSync. Once the transaction is sent, what can be done with the tokens?

If an exchange (centralized or decentralized) has a trading pair for the wrapped token, then perhaps it can be traded. If no exchange exists, an Ethereum layer 1 transaction must be made to withdraw from the bridge, and then withdrawal fees are still a problem.

Popular suggestions we have looked into include Tezos, Avalanche, Polkadot, Cardano, etc.

Trade-offs aside, this is frequently requested. Once a permissioned bridge is willing to add us without scammy hoops or a reasonable permissionless bridge exists, we will certainly explore this.

Why doesnā€™t Storj use another blockchain for STORJ, no wrapping?

For regulatory and other reasons, we do not plan to change the monetary policy of the existing STORJ token (e.g., by minting new tokens). We are disinterested in trying to get an alternate token configuration or contract on another chain instead of or in parallel with the existing STORJ token. These steps are complicated, take time, and distract us from our main goal of distributed storage.

Generally, weā€™re committed to the Ethereum ecosystem and the STORJ token. We believe that the collection of upgrades to Ethereum known as Ethereum 2.0 will further cement Ethereum as the dominant smart contract platform, especially with rollups and proof of stake, and will alleviate much of the current fee pain. We remain convinced that despite growing pains, STORJ token being on Ethereum is right for us now and in the future.

Why does Storj use a blockchain at all? Can we use fiat?

While we experience a number of difficulties related to storage node operator payments on the Ethereum network, STORJ token is still much more cost effective and tractable for paying more than 10K nodes today in over 100 countries and territories.

Does Storj want small node operators?

Storj is driving to decentralize the worldā€™s data, and we canā€™t do this without node operators of all sizes but especially small node operators. The minimum payout threshold currently disproportionately affects small node operators (who potentially donā€™t earn enough to regularly clear it), and we are investigating ways to try to alleviate this pain.

Some upcoming changes may improve things:

  • More exchanges are beginning to support layer 2 scaling such as zkSync Era. Hopefully soon, needing to create transactions on layer 1 will be a rare event.
  • We are researching layer 1 contracts for batch multisends. We hope to have more to share here soon.

We want to thank small node operators for their patience during this time! Digital assets and cryptocurrency are seeing explosive growth and significant growing pains. Just like the user experience improvements the industry saw for layer 1 between 2009 and 2019, we expect layer 2 will see an even faster growth curve as blockchain congestion continues to increase.

Why canā€™t Storj pay the zkSync Era withdrawal fee?

Honestly, we want to, but have not been able to think of a way that is not ripe for abuse. To make up for this, payments made through zkSync Era include a 3% earnings bonus.

Many node operators operate more than one node, and we ask that node operators use the same Ethereum wallet address for all of their nodes. This not only allows us to have a better understanding of the makeup of our network, but it also allows us to help payments clear the minimum payout threshold faster.

If we sent a minimum transaction bonus for every wallet to cover the withdrawal fee, this would incentivize multi-node operators to use different wallet addresses per node, pool the bonuses, and get potentially significant extra free STORJ which also would undermine our efforts to reduce blockchain congestion generally.

If we pay one-time wallet activation fees (something we are considering), we donā€™t have the same problem, because pooling canā€™t happen without activation.

Can Storj just subtract the fee from the payout?

This seems especially unfair to small node operators who regularly have earned less than the fee. Even if we only do this when they have earned more than the fee, the fee will eat into a vast majority of profits for the node operator.

Can Storj just allow SNOs to withdraw when they want?

This is precisely the user experience zkSync Era affords us. If a node operator chooses zkSync, then the node operator can decide when to cash out to layer 1 at their own convenience. We hope to help make zkSync Era more broadly applicable instead of reinventing this wheel.

Why doesnā€™t Storj do SNO payments whenever fees are low?

The short answer is that for a window of time at the beginning of the month, this is precisely what we do.

We created an internal tool to conduct our STORJ token payments. We are able to set a max gas for transactions, and the tool will simply wait for fees to go under that maximum before it creates and publishes any transactions to the blockchain. This allows us to set a relatively low max gas and simply run the tool until all of the transactions have been completed. If you look at fees on the Ethereum blockchain they sometimes drop down drastically, and those drops are what our tool is able to take advantage of with this max gas feature.

What we donā€™t do is run this all month long. Our current position is that we have made a commitment to pay node operators on or before the 15th of the month for the previous monthā€™s usage. Since the V3 network went live we have never missed this commitment, and we donā€™t plan on missing it. Itā€™s important for us to establish consistency and reliability with the node operators on the network, just as it is important for our own internal auditing and accounting.

Should I use an exchange address as my payout address?

When configuring your storage nodeā€™s payout address, you might wonder if you can save a step and have your funds sent directly to an exchange.

If you use an exchange address on layer 1, your deposit immediately makes it to your exchange account and you do not need to pay for an intermediate transaction to get your funds there. This has a lot of upside - itā€™s convenient and quick. The downsides are that you may not meet the layer 1 minimum payment threshold, and more concerningly, the address key is not yours. If the exchange decides to change or invalidate your wallet address (Kraken does this if you have more than 5 addresses, for example), or worse, the exchange is compromised, you may irretrievably lose your funds.

Note that using zkSync Era with an exchange address that does not support zkSync is a risky decision. Since the keys are not yours, you may not be able to withdraw your zkSync funds to the exchange and the exchange may not be able to help you.

If you use your own address on either layer 1 or zkSync, you will have to send your funds to an exchange if you want to make exchanges, but you can manage custody of your assets. Remember, payments made with digital assets are not reversible, like bank transfers or credit card payments. From a security point of view, using your own key with a hardware wallet such as a Trezor or Ledger is highly recommended.

What other fees exist?

After receiving funds via zkSync Era or layer 1, a storage node operator may have to:

  • Pay an Ethereum fee to withdraw funds from zkSync Era to layer 1 (we expect this to become unnecessary as more layer 2 options arrive)
  • Pay a zkSync fee to move fees between zkSync addresses
  • Pay an Ethereum or zkSync fee to send funds from their wallet to an exchange
  • Pay an Ethereum fee to send funds from their wallet for Storj network usage
  • Pay a fee to the exchange for executing a trade
  • Pay a fee to the exchange for withdrawing funds

Why doesnā€™t Storj run its own blockchain?

Performance is a critical aspect to the design of the Storj system. Blockchains are by definition shared global ledgers that all peers must agree on, and this adds a significant point of contention. Bitcoin does 4-5 writes per second globally, whereas Amazonā€™s cloud object storage platform S3 supports 3,500 writes per second per prefix per bucket per account with default account limits. A shared global ledger simply cannot be in the file storage hotpath for cloud object storage. Because weā€™ve decided to avoid using a blockchain in the core product, it didnā€™t make sense to spend additional developer time on using blockchains for settlement only.

You can read more about our design decisions on this topic in our whitepaper, especially section 2.10.

Where can I ask more questions?

Why, here, in our lovely forum, of course!

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What it is AirBnb ???

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Itā€™s basically Storj for homes. :grin:

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Are you going to commit to 10% long term or will this keep getting lower and lower?

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Should I google what this AirBnb is? Itā€™s better to search immediately on Google what is Storjā€¦

On several of my friends asked what is ā€œAirBnbā€ - 100% have no idea what it isā€¦

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Itā€™s pretty universally known here. But I guess the comparison might fail in countries where Airbnb doesnā€™t operate.

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They may operate in Poland but they are as niche as ebay(dot)pl
It is only from you that I learn this :slight_smile:

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I think you need to get out more.

Not sure if youā€™ve heard, but thereā€™s this little thing going on called a global pandemicā€¦

The site Wikibit has issued a warning about OKEX, describing it as a verified Ponzi scheme. I canā€™t confirm or corroborate this, all I know is what Iā€™m posting.

I read this topic and the FAQ in Docs, and is still unclear to me who pays the fees for SNO payments, if the payment address is L1.
I mean the fees are deducted from my payment? Or is payed by Storj devs and I receive my full payment?
For ex.: I must receive 100$ in storj for previous month. The fee to transact on L1 is 10$. Will I get 90$? Or 100$?

I ask this now because the last 2 years I stayed on zksync, but reading that the new 2.0 version requires ETH for fees, I switched to L1 and opted-out of zksync. I donā€™t have ETH and I donā€™t plan to have ETH in my wallet. So the L1 payment makes more sens to meā€¦ but only if it dosenā€™t affect my income to much.

have you checked zksynk account, may be other part was sended to zksynk for some reason?
if you see that something wrong, make support tiket with full information of nodes ID and all other things.

I donā€™t miss any part of payment. I just ask who pays the fees? This is the first month when I am opted out of zksync, and I want to know what to expect if I use the L1 address (normal Storj address).

It always the same, Storj transfer your money to you and they pay transfer fees.
But when you need to send it to binance or other adress then you pay fees with ETH.
But on L1 there is minimum amount, and it depends on transfer fees.

I would add - when you transfer STORJ from your wallet, in the case of L1 you pay a fee in ETH, in the case of zkSync - in STORJ (or you can use ETH or any supported tokens).

This got me confusedā€¦ maybe the formulation is wrong. Should be ā€œCanā€™t Storj just substractā€¦ā€ I think, like proposing something. Iā€™m not an english native speaker, so maybe Iā€™m wrong.
So in conclusion if I must be payed 100$:

  • on L1 I will receive 100$, or
  • on L2 (zksync) I will receive 100$ + 10$ bonus.
    ā€¦ with no deduction of fees from my money.
    Is this right? Thanks!
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Yes, this is correct.
This question is more related to overcome the Minimum Payout Threshold on Ethereum, i.e. if the operator would like to receive their payout any cost via L1, so they asked - can Storj just substract a fee and send remaining (if the operator opted-in for such a proposed feature) independently of the Minimum Payout Threshold.

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Sure, hereā€™s a brief update - zkSync Era (formerly zkSync 2.0) is where we are focusing our efforts. We currently support zkSync Legacy (formerly zkSync 1.0), which has wallet activation fees, but zkSync Era does not. Once we support zkSync Era, we are going to prioritize its use for high volume, low fee transfers. We have decided to predominantly focus on this route.

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